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By kostka, 4 months ago, translation, In English

This post will probably become very political, but I am very worried about things happening right now in Ukraine. I know this is not the best place for such discussions, but fuck it, a lot of people visit this website and some things have to be discussed.

Can you please tell me, dear Russians, do people there (you, your friends, and your families) really believe in all the things that Putin says about Ukraine? Are you proud of living in a country that invades a neutral neighbour?

 
 
 
 
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If someone can help with translation to Russian, I will very much appreciate it.

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    Translated to Russian --

    Этот пост, вероятно, станет очень политическим, но я очень беспокоюсь о том, что сейчас происходит в Украине. Я знаю, что это не лучшее место для таких дискуссий, но, черт возьми, этот сайт посещает много людей, и некоторые вещи нужно обсудить. Скажите, пожалуйста, дорогие россияне, там люди (вы, ваши друзья и ваши семьи) действительно верят во все то, что Путин говорит об Украине? Вы гордитесь тем, что живете в стране, которая нападает на нейтрального соседа?

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      Thanks a lot, I have added the Russian version.

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    not abuse please it's against the environment and shows that you are trolling

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Cann't believe war/invasion like things happning in 21st century!!!

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    Even the history is evident that there can be no winner in a war where children die and mothers cry :'(

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    Well, I am not Russian, and totally against the war, but here is a question:

    Isn't Saudi Arabia actively harming innocent people (among militants) and children in Yemen? Isn't Israel actively killing innocent people (among militants) in Syria?

    Why aren't "world powers" condemning such actions? Are some humans more human than others? The more you think about it, this is less about human rights (is that still a thing?) and more about "money talks."

    In any case, any war is a bad war that does no good to humanity and normal people and destroys infrastructure.

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      Politics is bad , but we , the people can be kind. This is why we need a community like Codeforces where all the competitive programmers can have fun together and discuss all sort of things regardless of different nationality , race and religion.

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      Well those are weird powers(their actions say).

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      Probably a large chunk of the world population would shoot Mr Bone Saw in the head if given the chance.

      But Saudi Arabia provides the oil, so we can't have that, can we? It'd hurt the money being thrown around.

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      "Isn't Israel actively killing innocent people (among militants) in Syria?"
      

      Do you mean Palestine? I have not read any news of Israel involvement in Syrian civil war. It was actually Russia who got involved in Syrian civil war hurting civilians and innocent people.

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    Well, those damn things are common.

    Just see what the USA did, in Panama, Iraq, ...

    And this time in Ukraine you can also see the USA raising the conflict.

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      Could you explain please how exactly "the USA raising the conflict" in Ukraine?

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    Really sad to see this. There is no winner in a war. Humanity loses, always!

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100% of my relatives and friends believe that all the news about the aggression of Ukraine is a complete lie. It also gives the impression that in general all people are against the war and some arguments for the war are brought by bots and those who work in the troll factory. I'm really upset, war is a great sorrow for everyone.

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    I’m Ukrainian and I can tell you that everything is truth… I woke up today because of alarm of war

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      I think he meant that Putin is lying about the war, not that the war is a lie.

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        Sorry for my not very good English, when I wrote "aggression of Ukraine" I meant that official Russian sources of information constantly gave news about fascism in Ukraine, shelling of Russian sheds, terrorist attacks that Ukraine is trying to organize on the territory of Russia. All these fakes are so clumsy that even my 90 year old grandmother does not believe in them.

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          Exact same message was propagated by western media about Palestinians when they were attacked by Israelis last year. Then no one stood up.

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            And I am sure that you were able to clearly see what was really happening there from India.

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              Because there are media sources who put up other sides of the story.

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                Of course. And you know which side's account is accurate.

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    Do these people watch TV? Didn't Putin announce the war on TV and asked Ukrainian soldiers not to fight Russians?

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      He actually didn’t announce war. It is just operation for Donbas Republic, as I know. If the war begins, Ukraine has very bad perspective, because Russia is way more stronger

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      Attacking the territory of the country and asking not to defend yourself and not to interfere is a rather ridiculous request...

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        Well, nearly prohibiting usage of the language, which is native for 17% of your population and spoken by pretty much everyone in your country, constantly shooting Donbass for around 8 years, then telling that you want ot join opposing political block while announcing that you want to make a nuclear bomb is also ridiculos. Isn't it unsafe to leave them so what they want. As diplomatical way didn't work(google Minsk agreements) invasion seems to be the only way. It is very bad that people are dying, goverment maybe could've stopped that war by starting a conversation, but, unfortunately, they didn't

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          I apologize for my words. I'm not ready to say anything yet, because I don't understand what's going on at all.

          Lovers of peace, I hope you are not just shouting popular opinion, but trying to find the truth. Unfortunately, it cannot be found by listening to a couple of slogans about peace.

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    In the wor all one say lie and the true is killed ( I am from syria so I heard too many lie in the last 11 years ).

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well the people on this planet are fucked , maybe we will all die someday. Let's enjoy CP before the end of the world.

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pandemic then war now!? F***

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Please give us peace, so that we can participate CP with calm days...

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Today I woke up at 5 am to an anti-aircraft fire

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WE NEED PEACE

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He said: "One day you'll leave this world behind So live a life you will remember"

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Um_nik, are you safe? You still in Kharkiv?

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    Yes, I'm in Kharkiv. I'm not safe, obviously, but I'm unharmed as of now.

    And, as a Russian citizen, I want to apologize that we allowed that to happen by decades of "being apolitic" whatever the fuck that means. Putin is a crazy dictator hungry for blood. I really hope he will be stopped, even though it is hard to stop a dictator with nukes.

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      Take care!

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      Just 1 hour ago, news just came about russian air strike in Kharkiv. Stay safe

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        OMG, guys on reddit are saying that Kharkiv is surrounded by Russian tanks. I pray for his safety. We don't want to lose an LGM.

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          We don't want to lose anyone*

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            Yeah, we obviously want everyone to be safe. My comment was actually in context of Um_nik.

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          If that's the case, he should probably delete this comment in benefit for his own safety.

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      Good Luck!

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      Take care of yourself. Nobody knows what will happen in a war.

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      I hope that this will stop and you will stay safe ^_^

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      Take care!

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      Hope you are fine, Um_nik

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PEACE

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Sad and horrified to see such an invasion happening now.

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Are you proud of living in a country that invades a neutral neighbour?

It's a big shame for us.

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Indian government is not making any comment on the issue as Russia is India's strategic partner and Ukraine is friend-like too.. But common people here in India are definitely against this Russian invasion on Ukraine. Humanity RIP.

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kostka, I don't think Putin did a referendum in which the people of Russia were asked whether or not they would like their army to invade Ukraine. Therefore, I would not ask Russians if they are proud of what's happening right now — I'm sure most of them are totally against that, but they are unfortunate to have a president, who slowly, but steadily became a dictator.

Citizens of Russia are not to blame here, but Putin himself — there aren't even any discussions on anything, he just does what he wants to do, most of his direct subordinaries are also completely terrified of him.

Let's all hope that this ends soon, with as minimal casualties as possible.

And let's not turn this community into a place of where discussions on politics take place.

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    Russian citizens allowed Putin to become a dictator in the first place, didn't they?

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      That's the funny part of living in a country with a dictatorship, your vote doesn't make a difference.

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        Don't vote, maybe bring him down? I know it's not possible anymore.

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          Politicians and diapers should be changed frequently... for the same reasons.

          George Bernard Shaw.

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          Bring him down? What do you mean?

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The more money you spend on guns, the less money you spend on people! More weapons, less happiness; more guns, more misery!

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    No issue, Make weapons but should never use them first use just for defense

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Are you proud of living in a country that invades a neutral neighbour?

Are you proud of living in a civilization that ignored all the violations of human rights in Russia? People cried, appealed to the West, asked to arrest corrupted money, but were ignored.

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I can't say for everyone, but most of my friends are against Putin. And as far as I know, the majority of programmers in Russia are against Putin. But we can barely do anything. If they attack other countries, you can imagine what they do with disagreed citizens inside of Russia. You shouldn't even imagine, remember Navalny and his team. #IStandWithUkraine

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For my part, Russia is demonized in this affair but is it really deserved? The REAL problem is that the US wants to put military bases on the Russian border. The USA is placing military bases all over the world and this is getting closer and closer to Russia's borders.

Imagine the opposite situation, how would the USA react?

The Russians are not without fault but neither is the USA.

I hope that the Ukrainian people will not suffer the madness of our leaders.

I'm not defending Russia, I'm just saying that they are not the only fotifs and that it's just a USA/RUSSIA war that other countries suffer.

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    Are you on drugs?

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      Because of my English? It's not my native language and I used a translator. If that's what I'm saying, do you have any arguments to contradict me? I think it's fashionable to say that others are wrong without giving an argument, but I don't see how that advances the debate.

      I'm not saying I'm right, I'm giving my point of view based on my research, but I'm ready to hear your arguments.

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        Very simple argument: if you attack the free country then you are to blame on 100%...

        If Putin has problem with US then he could have attacked them directly (from other side), but it doesn't change the point that he would be still 100% to blame

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          so, who defines the "free", people or capital? or some people? or another country? what about Kosovo and Yugoslavia? National sovereignty, human rights of some people, human rights of most people, interests of other countries, which is more important?

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          I condemn the invasion, but your argument is flawed, because of: Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, and Yemen.

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            You forgot about the campaign that "defensive" NATO took against the Republic of Yugoslavia. Actually, after that war it is hard to shock me anymore.

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        "If Putin has problem with US then he could have attcked them directly(from other side)."

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    That's something that is told on russian TV now.

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    The USA is placing military bases all over the world and this is getting closer and closer to Russia's borders.

    The truth is that the neighboring countries want these bases and NATO membership in particular in order to PROTECT THEMSELVES from potential Russian aggression. This, damn it, was the reason for the creation of this alliance, but in the days of the USSR. Neighboring countries such as Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Czech Republic, Estonia have become NATO members in the past and have the protection of the alliance. Ukraine, unfortunately, did not do it in time and is now suffering. Just as it was, for example, with Georgia and Moldova in the recent past.

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      Once you ukrainian elect an actor as your president who only gives piece of shit, you pay for your stupidity

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    I'm not going to try to debate given the number of unargued down votes, I'm not going to waste my time. Do you realize that this is the reverse of democracy?

    You criticize a dictatorship. Well, a dictator imposes his thought, those who want to give a counter argument disappear without explanation etc.

    Now "democracy" from here. What you are saying is definitely the truth. Those who have counter-arguments are down-voted as much as possible to make their message disappear without giving a single counter-argument. Basically, the only arguments you validate are those that go your way.

    Is this a democracy? is it not rather a kind of dictatorship of thought? "Think like me or disappear"

    It's sad that the majority of people have lost the ability to debate and just wish everyone would think like them.

    I am totally against the policy of Russia but I wanted to start a debate to highlight the policy of the USA in their desire to have control over the world and that their presence in Ukraine only serves their interests

    Make yourself happy to down vote my message.

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      Yea saying some shit views that no one agrees and getting downvoted is definitely dictatorship right? You didn't even reply to the arguments about your "counter-arguments" above. You are just leaving some shit opinion and calling people that disagree with u "dictatorship".

      You realize your comments can still be seen after downvote right? How is this "to make their message disappear"? If there really is a "dictatorship" against your comment, I couldn't even reply it as not only your comment would be deleted, you physically would also be deleted.

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        "Shit opinions", "You are just leaving some shit opinion and calling people that disagree with u "dictatorship"" Okay so what? We don't have the same opinion and instead of discussing you turn to violence. The goal is not to discuss having different opinions? To confront our arguments to arrive at better conclusions? I don't see how saying that sort of thing advances anything.

        Tomorrow if you are facing Russia, do you think that would help Ukraine?

        Yes, when I saw that my message had received a massive down vote, I didn't want to go any further. Isn't that understandable?

        What did I say that was so stupid?

        Imagine that Russia goes on the offensive. Do you really think NATO will fight against Russia? This war would potentially mean the destruction of part of the world. Does the US want to receive nuclear bombs for Ukraine?

        Either way, NATO or Russia would end up being defeated. Would Russia or NATO accept this defeat without using nuclear power?

        I don't see how Ukraine's presence in NATO would change anything. All these alliances on paper are very pretty but in fact a country only supports another to gain something.

        With Ukraine in NATO, the US will be able to put military bases on the Russian border. That Ukraine's presence in NATO makes NATO countries willing to risk everything for Ukraine is less certain.

        I agree that something needs to be done, but I think we need a Ukraine/Russia agreement without NATO getting involved

        Going back to my opinion about Russia, Westerners are using Ukraine to demonize Russia by pretending that it is the only villain in history. For Russian people, I am talking about international politics and not DOMESTIC politics, whether it is a dictatorship for its people is something else entirely. Do you really want NATO to meddle in your domestic politics and all that goes with it?

        I want to remind people that nice Americans dropped nukes on civilians. Were there any real sanctions against the USA? No, it's the USA that gives the sanctions and decides what is fair or not.

        There are no good guys or bad guys. Every leader wants to extend his power and that of his country and for that he is ready to sacrifice innocent people, it is the sad truth.

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          We don't have the same opinion and instead of discussing you turn to violence.

          You literally said "I'm not going to try to debate" in your first sentence. And yes I was a bit triggered when seeing people support or downplay dictatorship while trying to blame other people's argument as "dictatorship" and looks like you are against it. Sorry if my tone hurt your feelings.

          The goal is not to discuss having different opinions? To confront our arguments to arrive at better conclusions?

          Same as above, you should realize it was you saying don't want to discuss. I mean it's fine to not discuss, but you shouldn't just because people disagree with u and just blame it as "dictatorship".

          I don't see how saying that sort of thing advances anything.

          Yes, my point was just to point out your "reverse democracy" trick doesn't work.

          I agree that something needs to be done, but I think we need a Ukraine/Russia agreement without NATO getting involved

          What agreement do you think would be made if there is only Ukraine and Russia without others to help suppress Russia. You notice that Ukraine is getting invaded while Russia is having the ultimate military advantage right?

          There are no good guys or bad guys. Every leader wants to extend his power and that of his country and for that he is ready to sacrifice innocent people, it is the sad truth.

          Yea so when a leader tries to rob you and harm you, try not to say bad things to them or resist because everyone in the world is bad. Is that what you mean?

          Hope you could try to put yourself into someone's shoes. What would you feel if you are Ukrainian, seeing people you know harmed or damaged by the invaders while just some random guy trying to blame it on the USA instead of the invader.

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            For the first point, you are right, I contradicted myself.

            Ironic as it is, it's not someone's words on a forum that are going to hurt me. I just don't understand people who can't stay polite. It is literally the basis of a good education.

            You reverse things, I said I didn't want to chat anymore after being "censored" with no argument. Call it what you want, when a comment is hidden because it doesn't like it, it's a kind of Censorship.

            I don't mind if you disagree, but if you just downvote or insult, I don't feel like arguing.

            But why has Russia amassed these troops at the gates of Ukraine?

            I am for Ukraine to do what it wants, but my problem is the bad intentions of NATO which does not care at all about the Ukrainian people.

            I ask you, do you think the NATO countries will bring their soldiers to Ukraine in case of a Russian attack? (with nuclear risk)

            My whole point is based on that, for the moment, NATO is there because if Ukraine joins NATO, Russia will be easier to spy on.

            He disguises it all by talking about saving Ukraine, but that's the least of their worries.

            As I said before, I am totally against a Russian attack and I pity the Ukrainians, but I don't think the US is their saviour.

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      You should be against the policy of Putin and not Russia cus most Russians are against what he does and stands for.

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        Against its domestic or foreign policy?

        I do not live in Russia, how could I pretend to judge its internal policy?

        I don't agree with its foreign policy BUT I don't agree with NATO's foreign policy either, which is far from bringing peace to the world.

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        Exactly. Putin believes he can just wake up and invade a sovereign nation? Like, Who the fuck does he think he is? Barack Obama?

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          Putin is way psychopathic than Obama, pls don't compare them.

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            Did Putin kill 2 million Iraqis or was it Obama? Did Putin invade Libya and kill gaddafi/destroy their homes and economy or was that Obama's doing as well? Man,these media curated images of American presidents really does wonders. Your text to link here...

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      downvote is censorship oh no bunch of guys on cf didn't like what i said!!1 CENSORSHIP OAMFADF LITERALLY WORSE THAN HITLER

      you are a dumb mother fucker

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        Except it's the truth. If the votes didn't hide the message to reduce its visibility, it wouldn't.

        You are the kind of person who advocates peace in the world, good thinking etc. but who is not able to respect others and who resorts to violence at the slightest problem. After that you will criticize the Russian or Chinese policy which is based on that.

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          go back to school mr 6th grade understanding of censorship

          this time be quiet when the teacher's talking

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      This is how democracy works. If your opinion sucks, people will promptly let you know.

      And, by the way, your opinion does very much suck.

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        Don't be surprised that someones from some place think the downvote is undemocratic, because he can only upvote while claiming to be a democracy.

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    Yeah... You're completely correct. Those guys who downvote you don't want discuss the problem. They just want to attack someone.

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Well, I don't think that you will get relevant answer here. I can imagine that typical person from countryside will have different opinion than people doing CP. And (sadly) I believe thats the majority of population.

For example only 50% people in Slovakia are covid vaccinated but I don't know anyone that isn't (or maybe 1-2, but definitely not 50%).

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I want to ask you all to understand and learn something. The modern Russian state is fascism, dictatorship, occupation and terrorism. All magnificent sports competitions, victories and achievements, manipulation of history are just a screen, one of the weapons of the modern bloodthirsty empire, headed by liars and scum. For them, the world is a game where you need to capture more territories and more "points of influence".

Please note that the Russian parliament voted 100% for starting a war against Ukraine. Not a single high-ranking Russian official spoke out publicly against this aggression. The same goes for big business and most (not all) media personalities.

The so-called hybrid part of this war began 8 years ago. Then they not only illegally annexed Crimea, but also occupied part of the richest industrial region of the country, destroying 20% ​​of GDP. They fueled hostilities and tensions in that region, trying to destroy the Ukrainian economy, causing people to lose faith in their country, and surrender to the occupation, become a Russian colony. And let their propaganda broadcast that they had nothing to do with it, lie about some "independent" republics, for 8 years there has been a Russian flag, Russian money, Russian soldiers, Russian weapons, Russian tanks and Russian media. It was a big bloody wound on the body of my country, where Russia poked with a stick, torturing and mocking all of us. For 8 years they killed Ukrainians, shot down planes, blackmailed, threatened and tried to deceive the whole world. But Ukraine survived, recovered and developed in spite of everything.

Today, all the masks have been dropped and Russia is making the last attempt — it is attacking ALL the territory of our homeland Ukraine, trying to destroy it and conquer it. Russian HiPutler is still trying to make some kind of sluggish clown fakes to justify this aggression for his internal audience, but they are so stupid and illogical that it doesn’t even make any sense to tell about them.

I don't know how you personally can help with this, but I just want each of you to know and remember this. Thank you.

And please do not think that this is some kind of copy-paste of Ukrainian propaganda, every word in this message was written by me personally.

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    Please note that the Russian parliament voted 100% for starting a war against Ukraine. Not a single high-ranking Russian official spoke out publicly against this aggression. The same goes for big business and most (not all) media personalities.

    Exactly what I am talking about — they are all terrified of Putin. Imagine what will happen if any of them objects or questions this decision — we all know what happened to Alexei Navalny.

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    Please note that the Russian parliament voted 100% for starting a war against Ukraine. Not a single high-ranking Russian official spoke out publicly against this aggression

    When Duma voted for the annexation of Crimea in 2014, out of four parliament members who didn't support it, two ended up being prosecuted, one is dead, and one is doing relatively okay but never managed to get re-elected. The artists and other public figures who criticized the government's actions got banned from performing.

    Russian people are not deep-rooted nationalists and imperialists. We are just scared to oppose Putin.

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      I want to add that the guy who is doing relatively okay was pushed out of the country by the threats of imprisonment. No doubt that he would have been in jail if he had stayed in Russia

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    Are you ok writing propagandistic stuff like that? "The modern Russian state is fascism, dictatorship, occupation and terrorism. All magnificent sports competitions, victories and achievements, manipulation of history are just a screen, one of the weapons of the modern bloodthirsty empire, headed by liars and scum." I am not supporting this war, but you are blaming russians in all bad stuff happening with Ukraine, offending us, which is leading to more and more hate between our countries. This sentences "For 8 years they killed Ukrainians, shot down planes, blackmailed, threatened and tried to deceive the whole world. But Ukraine survived, recovered and developed in spite of everything." are fully propaganda remembering Minsk agreements and how Ukraine were performed them. And once again, im against this war and i don't understand, why this is coming on. I did nothing bad to Ukrainians, and they did nothing bad to me. But your message brings nothing except more hate between our countries.

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      Let me please elaborate on the first statement. I certainly do not blame people who have achieved something under russian flag in science, sports, coding etc of promoting Russian imperialism. I'm just saying that Russia can use such achievements as a cover for its real inhumane guise, and nobody should be fooled by this.

      And yes, I'm completely ok with what I say. For each of my statements, I can give more and more justifications, facts, with specific events, dates, statements of officials, and so on. I am sure of what I say. Of course, our world is not black and white, but there are some things in it that are nowhere blacker.

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do people there (you, your friends, and your families) really believe in all the things that Putin says about Ukraine

He is not technically lying about most things as he mostly states value judgments, eels out of direct questions, and rarely makes any legally-binding pledges (as most politicians do).

His today's war declaration speech essentially boils down to "the US are warmongering assholes who invade countries on false pretenses, so why can't we also be warmongering assholes because we also have nukes and nobody will stop us". The stuff he said about neo-nazism is somewhat true, and the Russian-speaking population has indeed been suppressed in the post-2014 Ukrainian government, but this is definitely not enough justification for a full-scale invasion.

Russian state media is lying directly and a lot though. In Russia, journalists are disposable, while high-ranking politicians aren't.

Are you proud of living in a country that invades a neutral neighbor?

This time around, the sentiment is much more negative compared to 2014 (mostly because this time, people realize the connection between invading a country and economic sanctions). I would even bet that Putin won't get re-elected in 2024. Maybe he is just planning on realizing all his unpopular ambitions and retiring from politics so that the sanctions will be relaxed on the next (peaceful) government, which would be the best-case scenario.

Don't blame the common Russian people for this disaster, especially Russian competitive programmers on CodeForces. We just don't have any control ever since he got re-elected in 2012. Putin has been rigging elections, smothering independent media, and changing constitution (twice) to extend his term limits, and everyone who seriously opposed him is either in prison or dead.

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    Agree to all that you said — but do you really believe that Putin would allow himself to be unseated? The last election was blatantly rigged, and the next one will be the same.

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    Your references don't exactly support your claims. There is nothing there that would amount to "suppression of the Russian-speaking population", and the Right Sector, being undeniably far right, is nowhere near neo-Nazi, even if they are being characterized as such by Russian propaganda.

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Hope for peace.

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In Russia also so scary and sad(

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Among my acquaintances only a very small part supports this madness (supported a few days ago at least)

Then again, I'm very biased and so is my circle of friends.

Unfortunately propaganda works much better then we would like to

And the people who claim to be apolitical end up being the most vulnerable and accepting the first information they come across (which of course happens to be propaganda)

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I am Russian and to me it's the most disgraceful day in Russian history.

We (liberals) tried to struggle with Putin since Bolotnoya protests in 2011. Unfortunately, the propaganda machine and Crimea annexation managed to return some popularity to him. In the end, he almost destroyed the civil society, independent media, elections and constitutional right of peaceful protest. You can read about the latest rigged elections here, for example. So the Duma which voted unanimously for the war doesn't represent Russian society.

Neither of my friends or colleagues support Putin or his foreign policy. It's somewhat worse when speaking about the families though — there is a part of society in Russia that wants to reestablish Russian/Soviet empire and prefers in to the fridge full of food.

F*ck the war.

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Mad respect to any Russian person writing against the Russian government's decisions here.

You all are truly orz.

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I’m not Russian.

I wonder what’s the other way to solve Ukraine problem.

The enlargement of NATO endangers Russia’s national security. Russia as an independent country can not bear enemy’s army stationed at it’s border. It’s just like you can’t bear your neighbour putting bombs at your gate.

Ukrainians say that Ukraine is a neutral country. But what a pity that it’s not the case. Ukraine’s oppression on Russians in the country proves this. Furthermore, the Ukraine problem is essentially a problem between Russia and the US. The US and the Europe have almost destroyed Russian’s economy, and now they even want to control Ukraine.

Puttin has given enough chance and time to Ukraine and NATO and the US, but they don’t change their policy on Ukraine any. Instead, they even take this opportunity to challenge and blackmail Russia more and more. Puttin has warned a thousand times that Russia won’t allow Ukraine becomes a member of NATO and stand against Russia. But Ukraine, Europe, America, no one has made a change. So Russia makes the change. Russia does not go on enduring any more.

Everyone cares about ‘Peace’ of Ukraine, but who cares about the peace of Russia? Ukraine joins NATO. The US infiltrate Russia more. Russia dissolves as USSR did in the past. Isn’t that exactly what you want to see?

There’re Russians CPer against Puttin. 5 years later you’ll be grateful to him for creating a safe growing environment for Russian children.

PS: I saw that similar comments have been downvoted a lot, and most people are against Puttin. Please don’t downvote me, thank you. Different opinions are valuable and should be seen by more people.

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    I think most people will disagree with you. I really hope that you won't get upvotes just because you are red, since reds on CF are frequently regarded as being 100% correct all the time.

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      You should not worry about that because I also realised people against me will be a lot more than who upvote me.

      I’m very sorry that my words seem like I support the war. I believe that no one will support a war. But what I want to say is, I noticed someone said it’s 100% a shame to invade an independent country. But not only a war is called invasion. What Western countries have done to Russia in past 40 years couldn’t be more excessive.

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        I am really curious regarding how the West has supposedly done damage to Russia and how that relates to Ukraine.

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        War is not the way to solve non-violent problems.

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          I agree with you, but I don’t know and I can’t imagine what’s the way.

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        so are saying that russia is trying to hurt usa by killing ukrainians. what the hell is their fault.

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      Your word is like, people who vote this is highly likely to be influenced by his color. Besides this misguiding and prejudice, i can't see any constructive advice from you.

      He's not supporting the war. In contrast, he wants to find a better way to help Russia get away from western country's economic sanctions.

      The reasons he's getting downvotes, which i could only see, is that he is the minority, the minority that is still talking rationally and calmly here.

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        Why do you think that seeking justification for invasion is calm talking?

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          Well, from my view his comments explain the relationship between Ukraine and Russia reasonably (as least the first half), meanwhile quite a few people don't know this. This has got nothing to do with the war.

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        It's true that my comment was a bit ad hominem-like, but I just told people not to get influenced by one's rating when judging the validity of the arguments presented in a comment. I will try not to express my opinion on Russia, nor who is rational or irrational, since this will only lead to infinite fruitless arguments in the comments and everyone will waste their time.

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          I agree on what you say and my post sounds somewhat attacktive too, it's nice for us to explain our real thoughts here.

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    The arguments can be discussed. The majority here and, I believe, in Russia will not support your statements. Quoting state-owned Russian channels is a thankless task. Collect pros and cons for your comment. See for yourself what will be more.

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      I said that I’m not Russian. But I think what I’ve written about the international situation is not completely a lie created by politicians. No matter you believe or not, you should admit it’s some kind of fact. Actually I’m very surprised that you Russian don’t realise Russia is in a dangerous environment. I’m sorry to say this bad-looking words but to tell the truth, Puttin really did a lot to make Russia a complete nation. (and Russians don’t thank him…)

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        Lmao imagine non-Russian casually preaching about Putin to Russian people who lived with him for two decades, suffered economic sanctions and political oppression

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          Coming from someone living next to North Korea

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          Hard to imagine a mature programmer casually judging other's view as a joke only because they are bystanders.

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            Yeah when the bystanders "tell the truth" about Putin to Russian people I naturally hope that it's a joke

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              Hello, ko_osaga, as you’re an LGM, I first say I admire your CP ability.

              Your words sound reasonable, but things may be not as easy as you thought.

              Economic sanctions are from the US and Europe, who want the country Russia disappear in the world. Political oppression comes after infiltration, as Puttin doesn’t want Russia to become South Korea — a country with US army everywhere.

              Can’t foreigners know Russia more than Russians do? This problem is just like: I heard that Ukrainian women have become who*es. But Ukrainians seem don’t care about this. No matter what they’ve lost, they’ve gain freedom(to use their body to exchange money) and democracy(to enjoy corrupt and useless government).

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                Don't waste your time. In Russia, for historical and cultural reasons (I can tell more detail in private), there are a galaxy of people who religiously consider any action of the Russian government to be bad, even helping sick children (this is a real case). Now they will ignore the genocide of Russians in the Donbas since 2014 in the civil war in the Ukarina, they will not notice dozens thousand refugees from the Donbass from the actions of the Ukrainian army in recent days.

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              But now you find that many CPers from China think they know Putin more than Russians and get downvotes.:)

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            Hard to imagine that someone thinks "A non-Russian realises Russia more than Russians" is not a joke.

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          Coming from someone living in a vassel state of USA

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        india is surronded by hostile neibours on all sides but we didn't invade pakistan.

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          Dude, Pakis have Nukes and Pakis have huge debt. Why would u invade a country and pay their debt. Look even in this situation Paki PM visits Putin for economic aid.

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            He was saying that Russia is invading Ukraine as any country would not tolerate a neighbour whose ideology they do not agree with i just gave an example

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    As a sovereign state, doesn't Ukraine have the right to join other organizations?

    Can Ukraine's desire to join NATO justify Russia's invasion?

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      Ukraine has the right to join NATO, but it should know the cost to do so. If you know that becoming against your strong neighbour and joining the activity that makes trouble to him will make your strong neighbour very unhappy, will you still do so?

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        So basically you(Russia) are being a bully and Ukraine should be your obedient slave.

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          I just mean Ukraine shouldn’t be too excessive. Ukraine can be neutral. But the problem is Ukraine says it is neutral but in fact it’s against Russia.

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      If Cuba or Mexico decides to join a military alliance with Russia or China I am sure US will either invade the country or will arrange a Coup. Remember Cuban missile crisis? I don't support any war at the same time we need to realize the situation of the world we live in. Hopefully one day people will abandon nationalism and only then we can have a peaceful world.

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        Even in Cuban missile crisis, the thing that US invades Cuba never happens. But now, that Russia invades Ukraine did happend.

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          America never invades Cuba,but America never invades Afghanistan, Syria,and Iraq?How many people in Afghanistan passed away under Americans?

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          What about Bay of Pigs Invasion?

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        Oh yeah, nationalism is the root of all evil, right? When you take away nationalism, people will just replace it with other identities and the result will be very similar. Just look at the USA, these people live in the same country yet they can't fathom each other because of race or gender or different ideology. They are so extreme, they blame and fight with each other day and night constantly while being blinded about their surroundings, resulting in the fall of the once great empire everybody used to fear/respect/love. People like you probably should come out of your dreams and accept the reality. People are assholes. And we will be like that no matter what happens.

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          US still very nationalist. Applies to both party. The reason behind current US problem is oligarchy. Both parties support the same oligarch class where lives of ordinary people is not improving , at the same time they pretend to be different. So how you can manage to do that? They found a easy solution culture war. Even though both are same they pretend they are different and it also kept the people in check.

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          Nationalism is not the root of all evil. But it is one of the biggest hindrance to world peace. Root of all evil is human nature/instincts. All most everyone follow these which served us well in the past but now with godlike power that we have those can end the civilization. Most people can't think rationally they will always follow some ideology or group. Us vs them is quite strong in humans.

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    I think you are right. NATO is a threat to world peace.

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    It's not the case of being a Russian or not a Russian, because Russians are in general not responsible for this sad day. But you support Putin and his military action. People like you are responsible for starting the war.

    I downvote for spreading lies, which is not valueable at all.

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    Everyone cares about ‘Peace’ of Ukraine, but who cares about the peace of Russia? Ukraine joins NATO. The US infiltrate Russia more. Russia dissolves as USSR did in the past. Isn’t that exactly what you want to see?

    If Russia is so delicate that it will dissolve because of the infiltration of US if it does not invade Ukraine, then let it dissolve, just like USSR did.

    The dissolve of USSR is a great thing for the world. The people who were under the repressive dictatorship of the Soviet Union were liberated. If Russia were such a totalitarian, it deserved to dissolve.

    I believe that someday Russia will become a modern civilized country, not the totalitarian like USSR as I have seen so many Russians in this post express their hope for peace and opposition to ruthless dictators like Putin.

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    Ukraine joins NATO. The US infiltrate Russia more. Russia dissolves as USSR did in the past.

    This seems like paranoia to me. Even though I get the concept of not wanting your enemy in your neighbourhood, I don't see how Ukraine joining NATO is equivalent to US infiltrating and even dissolving Russia. If a neighbour of US wanted to be friends with Russia and US invaded them, I believe most independent empathetic people would be against it too.

    Everyone cares about ‘Peace’ of Ukraine, but who cares about the peace of Russia?

    If there is an invasion of Russia, same type of people who are caring about Ukraine will care about Russia. And some others (maybe you) will be justifying the invasion.

    5 years later you’ll be grateful to him for creating a safe growing environment for Russian children.

    Really? You think I would be grateful to a murderer if he saves my child and kills someone else's child? Also did USSR's children get killed when USSR dissolved? Before this sentence, I was thinking of you being a rational empathetic person. But unfortunately you seem to lack empathy. You are talking about a war, where innocent people will be killed. The least you can do is to not justify it.

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    I'm not Russian either,

    no offense but what you wrote is absolutely stupid, first of all Ukrainians, as a sovereign country, have the right to join whatever they want, being that the Europe union or NATO. Second, What do you mean by Russia’s national security? Because in practice it seems that it means the Russian ability to invade other countries with no repercussions, the only real thing NATO does is dampening Russia's influence over the world matters, which given the circumstances, we all can agree is a good thing. Many countries joined NATO just to be able to escape Russian influence, too bad Ukraine was too slow.

    Perhaps the people that care for peace in Russia are the Russians that are in either in prison or dead.

    Anyway this could get much longer but I think that I exposed my point. Last, I will leave you with this idea: the borders didn't stop Russia from attacking through Belarus, if Ukraine's border is the problem today what will happen with Poland tomorrow that's not under Russian influence either. I'm sure, that given your skills, you can think recursively to solve this question.

    Have a good day spreading these "insightful" ideas as I'm sure that many aren't.

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      I don't have much time to reply dozens of comments under mine, so I've shut up in the past 12 hours. But your comment is worth replying I think.

      The opinions such as 'Ukraine as a sovereign country has the right to join NATO when they want' and 'Russia shouldn't drive their army into soverign country Ukraine' are based on so-called 'interational laws and orders' (after the Cold War). But unfortunately these 'laws and orders' that protect the 'soverign of a country' have been several times trampled, in Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, South America and anywhere. The US having been the first one to violate these orders hasn't got any punishment from anywhere in the world till now. So what's the reason for any one now using these orders to criticize Russia?

      The US and NATO makes trouble everywhere. Their behavior is like driving Ukraine to ride on Russia's head and take shit on Russia. But 'according to current interantional order' Russia can't beat him because 'that's a violent way'. Russia said 'If you continue to take shit on my head, I'll beat you' and nobody stops taking shit on Russia (especially when the US and NATO know that Russia has the millitary force indeed). And then Russia uses his millitary force, and the whole world is now shouting: Look! He uses violence! How a bloody facist he is!

      How do the f**king things make sense?

      And as I'm not a Christian I have to say that in my view a war is not the worst political action that a regime can take. It's just like beating a person is sometimes considered not more evil than raping a person. What Russia did is beating Ukraine, what NATO and the US did is raping Russia. Especially in past 20 years wars are not rarely seen in the world (But nobody cares, they only care about today Russia invades Ukraine. How double-standard.). Let alone the current millitary action hasn't killed any plain folk (even till now), and the number of soldiers died even hasn't exceeded the number of people died in east Ukraine before Russian army acts.

      I'm really not saying that it's not Russia's fault. But the US and NATO have their fault before Russia has its fault. The US and NATO are the really the war-makers. They provoke conflicts everywhere to satisfy their benifit, ignoring consequences of doing so. I don't know how will you feel if one day the US drive its army to your nation's border, give sanctions everyday and demonize your country and interfere your country's internal affairs. That's once again my idea: people give sympathy on Ukraine, but they don't give sympath on Afghanistan, Iran, Cuba, Russia and North Korea.

      It seems that Russia is the one to bully Ukraine. But sorry, it's not. Russia is the one to be bullied by NATO and the US. Ukraine relies on NATO and the US. At least before Thursday this is the fact: facing NATO and the US, Russia is the weaker one.

      Will you believe what your media tells you? Russia is an evil country that invades innocent Ukraine? Have you noticed that the US and the Europe decided not to use their millitary force, instead only watching the war going on and give sanctions to Russia? They don't use their millitary because they don't want to help Ukraine. They think Ukraine is not worth helping. They give sanctions to Russia just because they find a new excuse to strike Russia. Western politicians know more than people under this blog: Justice is a concept defined by themselves.

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        Let alone the current millitary action hasn't killed any plain folk (even till now)

        What moon did you fall from? Even in such trifles you write a terrible lie. And at the same time, your vision of the "big picture" is so primitive and out of touch with reality. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

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          Then what’s the death number? I found the number was 137 in 24th Feb. How many among these are not soldiers do you think? Give me the number please!

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            The official number is 57 civilian after first day, yet it's hard to judge when the whole country is under war. But bullshit about "any plain folk" can be simply refuted by the photos of dead people after hitting residential buildings by the first missile attack at 5AM, and after that there was a huge number of missile attacks on residential areas.

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              OK you give the number, then I admit I was wrong. (I only consider situations yesterday.) Still please think if now it’s not Russian army in Ukraine instead of US army. 47000 people died in Afghanistan.

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                Please google the number of civilian casualties in Soviet–Afghan War, and First and Second Chechen wars as well. And stop trying to justify the crimes of one by the fact that someone else did something wrong too.

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                  And stop trying to justify the crimes of one by the fact that someone else did something wrong too.

                  Hope that you didn't mean Ukraine can do anything to Russia but Russia can't do anything to Ukraine.

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                  Are you out of your mind at all? Why the hell would we attack a country with nuclear weapons and one of the most powerful armies in the world?

                  Ukraine has never done anything to Russia and never intended to do anything.

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                  Sorry I think we both become irrational. First I say my words in the past few hours have many faults. And I also think your statement ‘Ukraine never intended to do anything’ is not that right. I will totally shut up this time and hope you safe from war.

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                  Ukraine has never done anything to Russia and never intended to do anything.

                  ARE YOU SURE?You'd better ask your actor-president who is elected by you ukranian.

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                  My actor-president produced several comedy films that were very popular in Russia. I hope it was not as terrible for the Russian people as the Russian bombing of Ukrainian cities.

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                  Ukrain is a small country with no strong army, but if the USA build some bases in it, it will be a big problem for Russia. We asked you and your friend for guarantees of our safety. You refused. So we have no choice. Don't be angry, the USA and NATO did the same with other countries 100 times. Noone wants to hurt you, just drop your weapon or you will be destroyed. Talk about the law with your american friends.

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                  4% of russian border with European NATO countries. It is stupid to attack Ukraine in that sense.

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                  It's very commendable that you've learned so well what you were being fed by your government, but we can get this narrative from it's original source.

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            Some Ukrainian residents shot at each other after getting guns. They were considered Russian spies and were killed by Ukrainian army. I think they will surely be counted as "innocent people killed by the Russian army".

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        I see. I understand better what you are trying to convey. I do not intend to keep the discussion going any longer, the only thing that I'm going to tell you is this; you look like someone who is open to discus matters in a "more or less" logical way and yet it seems that most of the things you are writing are things you've been told. We don't live in a perfect world, some of the points you make might have their merit but I think you don't believe everything you are writing I invite you to make up your mind by yourself.

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        I agree with you!:) In my opinion putin is trying to makesure the safety of his own country by his own method :/

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        war is not the worst political action that a regime can take

        Easy to say when you're miles away from the battlefield and safe in your mom's basement

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      NATO and USA occupied Iraq and declare Kosova as a republic. Why thay can defy the law and we can't? Why they can capture other countries and we cant? We have a nuclear bomb too, so if NATO attacks Russia, there will be a big boom.

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        Are you really ask why you can't capture other countries? Do you really don't care about others lives?

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          We dont want do hurt civillians. At first we attacked only millitary objects of Ukrain. But now you give weapon to every civillian in your country. In fact we already won, but there are too many of yours in the cities with guns, so we dont want to rush them. But we can attack them from air. Drop your weapon and "war" will be over. Or you will be dead.

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            You bombarded hospitals and there was accident of bombarding kindergarten.

            Go fuck from Ukraine, we dont ask you here.

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              We dont give a fuck, Iraq people also didnt asked about the USA, but they came and killed about 4.500 civs. Its only your fault, that you dont want to surrender. Blood means blood.

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discussion is good, but not enough. It is necessary to act. Majority is against the war and Putin's regime. Let's demonstrate this.

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It is so unfortunate that a handful of individuals create such a madness that will kill tens or hundreds of thousands (most of them innocent civilians) and affect millions of people.

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Devils are heating boilers in hell for russian soldiers and politicians. It is unfair to blame all of the russians though(especially those that are present on codeforces and seem to be absolutely adequate)

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I'm russian (for which I am ashamed these days)

And unfortunately I see no other solution to the current situation than direct military intervention of NATO

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    People have many fetishes. I support personal freedom including people who wanna get nuked. I think we can detonate one nuke every year without any significant environmental damage. So I propose we gather people like you who wants to get nuked and fulfill their wishes. But please don't wish nuke for all of us. Most of us don't wanna get nuked.

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    According to my observation, as long as you mention Taiwan, there will be countless Chinese using countless accounts to give you downvote. You will lose your contribution faster than Ukraine will lose Kiev.

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      You will lose your contribution faster than Ukraine will lose Kiev.

      Yeah. And we think the two problems are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

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      As a chinese person I sincerely feel offended when people say these kinds of things. Why do you think all these downvotes came from chinese people?

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    Taiwai always belongs to China

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      I agree with you. I don't know why others against the opinion.

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    I don't know what do you mean, but you have to admit Taiwan is a part of China.

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    If you insist on slandering China, I can't agree with you. Hope a peaceful world.

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        I have to say slander is of no use though I disagree with him.

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        don%27t%20care%20%2B%20didn%27t%20ask%20%2B%20ratio%20%2B%20L

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        Before I see this picture, I have never heard of "social credit" .

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          A while back some talking heads in China proposed a system where people would be given a score based on their social behavior or something.

          It became a big meme for the authoritarianism of the Chinese regime.

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            I would say that the information you know is false. If you insist on slandering China, I can't agree with you. And I don't think CF should be a website that discusses politics and slanders other countries. Love and peace.

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              AFAIK there's no such system actually in use in China — but the fact that it even was a serious idea is a big meme

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        You must apologize!

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    I Hate Politics.

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      ->What's the correlation between your stupid picture and the matter which this post discusses? I'm sorry, but I believe the topics ARE related.

      At this point, everyone knows China has good relations with Russia. Russia wants Ukraine. China wants Taiwan. Both have problems with the US. Why can't they invade in similar times so the US will have a problem exerting its power? They will need to divert their attention to two distinct corners of the globe. It's IMPOSSIBLE that China nor Russia considered an invasion together. There are CLEAR advantages if China invades Taiwan NOW. I believe that's what codebuster_10 fears.

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        I Hate Politics.

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        I wonder why the US will go half-way round the globe to exerting its power on even other's country?

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        If you really know Chinese history, you would not have this remark

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        Do you know the 1992 Consensus? No matter what, Taiwan will never be an independent country.

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        Ukraine is an independent country, but Taiwan is not. Whether China recovers Taiwan or Taiwan fights back to the mainland, China and Taiwan are inseparable parts, which is very clear in the 1992 principle. I think what Russia did was an invasion, but this does not mean that Taiwan is an independent country

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      Ah yes, the quintessential Chinese experience.

      Stating facts is an attack on China. Everything is an attack on China. Sneezing too hard is an attack on China.

      Your government's imperialism is clear to all the world. Stop embarrassing yourself.

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        But you didn't show any evidence.

        I can give you a lot of evidence. Cairo Declaration Joint Communique of the United States of America and the People's Republic of China . . .

        Taiwan was invaded by the Japanese and returned to China after World War II. After the fall of the Kuomintang government, the United States launched the Korean War to invade the Korean peninsula and prevent the reunification of China. Later, Beijing replaced Taipei in the United Nations, and the United States recognized the government of the People's Republic of China as the sole legitimate government of China.

        To make an analogy: Russia = America Ukraine = China Luhansk+Donetsk=Taiwan

        The United States has always been the invader, whether in Afghanistan, Vietnam or the Korean peninsula.

        how dare you?

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          1. The Korean War was launched because Kim Il-sung invaded South Korea. China decided to join in to help Kim. What the fuck is that bullshit above about unification?

          2. About Taiwan: In the past, sure, Taiwan considered itself China. But enough time and people start to change their minds. Most people in Taiwan today were born after the Civil War and wants nothing to do with China. The current status quo is maintained because of China and China alone.

          3. It's funny that you mentioned Vietnam. Just four years after the Vietnam War ended, guess who knocked on Vietnam's door? Well, isn't it your precious anti-imperialist China. And their excuse? Vietnam overthrowing Pol Pot. Pol fucking Pot, for fuck's sake. Luckily for Vietnam, fighting on one front over mountainous terrain makes it easy to stalemate a superior army. Anyway, that's not mentioning literally all the other times that China have invaded Vietnam in the past.

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            In last 40 years China didn't invade any country. They have problem in South China Sea but they are not alone in this. All the neighbouring country also have dispute about this with each other. Taiwan issue can be considered legit problem as most Taiwanese don't want reunion. Again if you look how international politics works saying what they want is illegal is double standard for the country that will say it.

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            I have to say not only Taiwan is part of China,but also Viet, Korean,Mongolia and Nippon.All their culture originated from China.Soon or later,they will return to their home culture land.

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            Regarding the Korean War, it has been justified to be a justice war helping weaker buddy with no mention of North Korea’s invades in Chinese history book.

            Surprisingly, to me there are even more Chinese supporting Putin and this war compared to the real Russian — correct me if I’m wrong. I don’t know how to judge this... sounds cool.

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              In Russia the economy is bad and covid is rampant, so Putin is unpopular right now. Adding this on to the top makes him even less popular.

              I don't know why Chinese people (or anyone) would back Putin, but I'd guess it's Cold War campist stuff. Here in Vietnam there are some idiots who also think like this, despite the blindingly obvious parallels between Ukraine and Vietnam :(

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                I believe social media impact in China plays a significant role — currently even some official media accounts support Russia and Putin where they are supervised by CCP due to some xxx rules. Imagine when you get up and look for some news, there are bunch of news supporting Putin and trying to illustrate the Justice of this WAR — you will be hard to have independent thoughts.

                Besides of this, you will be insulted by tons of f words once you post some comments on CN social platform about supporting Ukraine or stopping this war etc, which is ridiculous.

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                  But in fact, I haven't seen any official article in China showing support for Putin. We are just reporting the war objectively. And there's a lot of analysis on social media about why we shouldn't support Russia, and there's a lot of agreement.

                  I think those who firmly support Russia's war in the article are intentional, but please believe that the vast majority of Chinese people are sober

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                  lie

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                  Why not just check weibo and zhihu's comments under "how to comment on the war between Ukraine and Russia?" and see every following discussion under the comments about "supporting Ukraine". You can statiscally count how many user vote for Ukranine or Russian. If you can't find these topics, please let me know so I can DM you.

                  Interestingly, the "vast majority" you just mentioned who are sober just made bunch of rubbish words on comments which supports Ukraine — that's even for Zhihu. For weibo, I can't even talk more about that.

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                  ok you think I'm lying — so please point out which part I lied. We need evidence.

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                  Sorry, the "vast majority" here don't include those who follow the trend without brains. What's more, those who remain neutral will never speak on these platforms

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                  hmm.. that's tricky. ok you filtered out all the people "without-brain" and only count the "neutral" people. Then how can we obtain the statistical indicator "vast majority"? So far I can't find any platform consisting of people "with brain" as what you just defined.

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                  ok I admit that maybe my words are a little absolute, but there is no official news to show that China guides the people to support Russia, right?

                  Just like in this article, don't many people still think that this war has no legitimacy?

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                  ok I count some local media accounts as "official" since they are all supervised by CCP. Ofcourse there does not exist actual "official" media account supporting either side.

                  For the article you just mentioned, you can check the comments under zhangwei's answer.

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                  What about the other articles? What's the point with those self righteous people? Finally, I hope to stop this topic, because we live in different environments and have different ideas. No one can convince anyone. Let's pray for the early end of the war!

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                  What do you think it is if there aren't any idiots in a country with 1.4 billion people?

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            1 Do you know how much friction there was on the 38th line before North Korea invaded South Korea? 2 If Taiwanese can form a Taiwan state, why can't the Crimeans choose to join Russia? 3 So why was the Vietnamese overthrow of Pol Pot not an invasion?

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        Stop embarrassing yourself by throwing around the word 'imperialism' so easily.

        Being a red coder means you are good at CP, not that you know anything about China.

        China only wants Taiwan back. Hong Kong, Tibet, Xinjiang, and Macao are all part of China. Taiwan is just being stupid and is trying to hug the leg of it's 'daddy America'.

        Mongolia was also part of China before it cut off 100 years ago and made it it's own country, but you've never heard of China trying to get Mongolia back have you?

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          China only wants Taiwan back. Hong Kong, Tibet, Xinjiang, and Macao are all part of China. Taiwan is just being stupid and is trying to hug the leg of it's 'daddy America'.

          This is like the most imperialist sentence that was ever imperialist.

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            The 1992 consensus can at least explain that no matter which party is in power, the Chinese mainland and Taiwan belong to the same country.

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            Imperialism makes China a great empire that has stood in the world for five thousand years,much longer than ancient Babylon,Egypt and India.To this day, China is still one of the most powerful countries in the world. So your comment is just a praise?or expression of jealous?

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            Well done.

            I type these words with great outrage, I think my friends at Codeforces should be able to think without preconceptions, but for some, it seems I was wrong.

            I would like to hear your opinion on the US backing the coup in Chile and provoking the Vietnam War. China and Taiwan are at least one ethnic group, so what about Chile, which has no ethnic identity with the United States? When you identified China as imperialism, did you ever think about the United States that told you these words, how was it?

            You think China's claim to Taiwan's sovereignty is imperialist, so how do you evaluate a country that has waged more than 200 wars since its founding?

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              Imperialistic as well. I dislike US policy as much as I dislike Russian or Chinese why is that hard to understand?

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              Im not saying the US isnt imperialist, and in fact, US history is built on imperialism (for example, they literally expanded their territory from the east to the west coast of north america).

              The fact is, this attempt to get control of taiwan is imperialism and justifications like "ofc we want this territory, it should belong to us" are used time and time again by imperialist regimes (for example, Putin claims that Ukraine and Russia share history as justification for what is happening, and the United States had their own excuse for their own imperialism).

              Every country has their own dirt, lets not pretend otherwise

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      No, China is a part of Taiwan (Republic of China).

      PRC is the invader.

      Note: this is the statement from the textbook in Taiwan. (for guys who don't know the point)

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        Japan was the invader . It just a dog of USA now

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        May I show my history knowledge to proof you are such a fucking fool?

        UPD: PRC is never the invader. Here is evidence.

        Since 1949, China has participated in the following wars(incompleteed):

        • Vietnamese war of resistance against France to help Vietnam.
        • Korean War to safeguard national sovereignty and strive for peace and security.
        • Vietnamese war of resistance against America.
        • Laos war of resistance against America.
        • Battle of Walong to defend ourselves.
        • Battle of the Xisha Islands to defend ourselves.

        So how to get the conclusion that 「PRC is the invader」?

        I don't agree the first setence, but I know why textbook in Taiwan included that.

        At last, sorry to my poor English.

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          Sure, why not?
          I really want to know how people from China learned about their history.

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            The same question to you.

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            Could you explain what does the "invader" mean in a civil war?

            "To enter a place in large numbers, especially in a way that causes damage or confusion"

            Here's the Oxford Dictionary's explanation.

            The definition of invasion is conflict with civil war, I don't understand how you relate civil war to invasion.

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        You're using your alt. If you think that you're talking sense, use your main account. Don't be a chicken. Then you'll get a rain of downvotes.

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        I want to say something, but It won't work for a fool.

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        foolish.Who invaded Taiwan?You see any Chinese army in Taiwan?I tell you,America is just the invader.不信走着瞧

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        At that time CCP and KMT are both political party of China. I don't know why you call it "invade".

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          The statement is derived from the Constitution law of the Republic of China.
          As I stated in the first line, China is a part of Taiwan (Republic of China).

          I know no one would believe it (including most of the Taiwanese), but it is the law in Taiwan (Republic of China).

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            Few people know that the Chinese Kuomintang and the Chinese Communist Party have had two periods of cooperation.

            For the first time, 1923-1927, the Chinese Communist Party joined the Kuomintang as an individual, and under the leadership of Sun Yat-sen, overthrew the rule of the Beiyang warlords.

            The second time, 1936-1945, after the Xi'an Incident, the two parties jointly fought against Japan.

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              Do you know Whampoa Military Academy (1924)?

              Chiang Kai-shek was the president and Zhou Enlai was the director of the political department.

              Students of the Whampoa Military Academy, who later became the army of the Chinese Kuomintang and the Chinese Communist Party.

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              The second time was actually 1936 to 1941, until South Anhui Incident.

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                South Anhui Incident didn't end the cooperation.

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            When you're representing an illegitimate government, it doesn't matter what you say.

            The "Republic of China" is not recognized internationally, and its "constitution" is also paper in the toilet

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        Note: this is the statement from the textbook in Taiwan.

        Therefore, why you claim that is true without thinking about the opinions in Chinese Mainland and just say “No” at the beginning?

        I know that presenting the opinions from the point of view of my country could be one-sided, but consider that more objectively, plz.

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        I can never wake up a person who pretends to sleep.

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        Taiwan, Inalienable Part of China.

        Note:this is the statement from the textbook in China.(for Chinese who still don't know the fact)

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        I think your fuck brain was eaten by dog

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      Relax bro, when the USA in fact declare Taiwan as independent, liberals stay quiet. When Russia did the same with Donbas, every dog in Europe starts barking. We will return Kiev and you will return Taiwan, whatever these motherfuckers say.

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    Regardless of one's opinion on Taiwan, posting memes on a blog with such a serious topic is just inappropriate.

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    You have a lot of nerve.

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War lords are playing game and end of the day,general people are the worst sufferer.

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I do not see this post as political, but I see it as a humanitarian post, War brings nothing but death and destruction, We are now in 2022, I used to think that wars that lead people to death are over, Everyone should live in peace, I hope this war will end without further losses.

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    so, what's the meanging of NATO exist?

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