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Russian propaganda
By kostka, 2 years ago, translation, In English

This post will probably become very political, but I am very worried about things happening right now in Ukraine. I know this is not the best place for such discussions, but fuck it, a lot of people visit this website and some things have to be discussed.

Can you please tell me, dear Russians, do people there (you, your friends, and your families) really believe in all the things that Putin says about Ukraine? Are you proud of living in a country that invades a neutral neighbour?

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If someone can help with translation to Russian, I will very much appreciate it.

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    Translated to Russian --

    Этот пост, вероятно, станет очень политическим, но я очень беспокоюсь о том, что сейчас происходит в Украине. Я знаю, что это не лучшее место для таких дискуссий, но, черт возьми, этот сайт посещает много людей, и некоторые вещи нужно обсудить. Скажите, пожалуйста, дорогие россияне, там люди (вы, ваши друзья и ваши семьи) действительно верят во все то, что Путин говорит об Украине? Вы гордитесь тем, что живете в стране, которая нападает на нейтрального соседа?

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      Thanks a lot, I have added the Russian version.

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Cann't believe war/invasion like things happning in 21st century!!!

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    Even the history is evident that there can be no winner in a war where children die and mothers cry :'(

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    Well, I am not Russian, and totally against the war, but here is a question:

    Isn't Saudi Arabia actively harming innocent people (among militants) and children in Yemen? Isn't Israel actively killing innocent people (among militants) in Syria?

    Why aren't "world powers" condemning such actions? Are some humans more human than others? The more you think about it, this is less about human rights (is that still a thing?) and more about "money talks."

    In any case, any war is a bad war that does no good to humanity and normal people and destroys infrastructure.

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      At least CF provides us a chance to discuss problems regardless of different nationalities and political alignments...

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      Well those are weird powers(their actions say).

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      Probably a large chunk of the world population would shoot Mr Bone Saw in the head if given the chance.

      But Saudi Arabia provides the oil, so we can't have that, can we? It'd hurt the money being thrown around.

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    Well, those damn things are common.

    Just see what the USA did, in Panama, Iraq, ...

    And this time in Ukraine you can also see the USA raising the conflict.

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      Could you explain please how exactly "the USA raising the conflict" in Ukraine?

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100% of my relatives and friends believe that all the news about the aggression of Ukraine is a complete lie. It also gives the impression that in general all people are against the war and some arguments for the war are brought by bots and those who work in the troll factory. I'm really upset, war is a great sorrow for everyone.

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    I’m Ukrainian and I can tell you that everything is truth… I woke up today because of alarm of war

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      I think he meant that Putin is lying about the war, not that the war is a lie.

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        Sorry for my not very good English, when I wrote "aggression of Ukraine" I meant that official Russian sources of information constantly gave news about fascism in Ukraine, shelling of Russian sheds, terrorist attacks that Ukraine is trying to organize on the territory of Russia. All these fakes are so clumsy that even my 90 year old grandmother does not believe in them.

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          Exact same message was propagated by western media about Palestinians when they were attacked by Israelis last year. Then no one stood up.

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            And I am sure that you were able to clearly see what was really happening there from India.

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              Because there are media sources who put up other sides of the story.

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    Do these people watch TV? Didn't Putin announce the war on TV and asked Ukrainian soldiers not to fight Russians?

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      He actually didn’t announce war. It is just operation for Donbas Republic, as I know. If the war begins, Ukraine has very bad perspective, because Russia is way more stronger

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      Attacking the territory of the country and asking not to defend yourself and not to interfere is a rather ridiculous request...

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        Well, nearly prohibiting usage of the language, which is native for 17% of your population and spoken by pretty much everyone in your country, constantly shooting Donbass for around 8 years, then telling that you want ot join opposing political block while announcing that you want to make a nuclear bomb is also ridiculos. Isn't it unsafe to leave them so what they want. As diplomatical way didn't work(google Minsk agreements) invasion seems to be the only way. It is very bad that people are dying, goverment maybe could've stopped that war by starting a conversation, but, unfortunately, they didn't

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          I apologize for my words. I'm not ready to say anything yet, because I don't understand what's going on at all.

          Lovers of peace, I hope you are not just shouting popular opinion, but trying to find the truth. Unfortunately, it cannot be found by listening to a couple of slogans about peace.

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well the people on this planet are fucked , maybe we will all die someday. Let's enjoy CP before the end of the world.

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pandemic then war now!? F***

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Please give us peace, so that we can participate CP with calm days...

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Today I woke up at 5 am to an anti-aircraft fire

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WE NEED PEACE

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He said: "One day you'll leave this world behind So live a life you will remember"

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Um_nik, are you safe? You still in Kharkiv?

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    Yes, I'm in Kharkiv. I'm not safe, obviously, but I'm unharmed as of now.

    And, as a Russian citizen, I want to apologize that we allowed that to happen by decades of "being apolitic" whatever the fuck that means. Putin is a crazy dictator hungry for blood. I really hope he will be stopped, even though it is hard to stop a dictator with nukes.

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      Take care!

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      Just 1 hour ago, news just came about russian air strike in Kharkiv. Stay safe

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        OMG, guys on reddit are saying that Kharkiv is surrounded by Russian tanks. I pray for his safety. We don't want to lose an LGM.

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          We don't want to lose anyone*

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            Yeah, we obviously want everyone to be safe. My comment was actually in context of Um_nik.

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          If that's the case, he should probably delete this comment in benefit for his own safety.

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      Good Luck!

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      Take care of yourself. Nobody knows what will happen in a war.

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      Take care!

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PEACE

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Sad and horrified to see such an invasion happening now.

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hope for the peace!

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Are you proud of living in a country that invades a neutral neighbour?

It's a big shame for us.

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kostka, I don't think Putin did a referendum in which the people of Russia were asked whether or not they would like their army to invade Ukraine. Therefore, I would not ask Russians if they are proud of what's happening right now — I'm sure most of them are totally against that, but they are unfortunate to have a president, who slowly, but steadily became a dictator.

Citizens of Russia are not to blame here, but Putin himself — there aren't even any discussions on anything, he just does what he wants to do, most of his direct subordinaries are also completely terrified of him.

Let's all hope that this ends soon, with as minimal casualties as possible.

And let's not turn this community into a place of where discussions on politics take place.

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    Russian citizens allowed Putin to become a dictator in the first place, didn't they?

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      That's the funny part of living in a country with a dictatorship, your vote doesn't make a difference.

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The more money you spend on guns, the less money you spend on people! More weapons, less happiness; more guns, more misery!

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    No issue, Make weapons but should never use them first use just for defense

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Are you proud of living in a country that invades a neutral neighbour?

Are you proud of living in a civilization that ignored all the violations of human rights in Russia? People cried, appealed to the West, asked to arrest corrupted money, but were ignored.

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I can't say for everyone, but most of my friends are against Putin. And as far as I know, the majority of programmers in Russia are against Putin. But we can barely do anything. If they attack other countries, you can imagine what they do with disagreed citizens inside of Russia. You shouldn't even imagine, remember Navalny and his team. #IStandWithUkraine

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For my part, Russia is demonized in this affair but is it really deserved? The REAL problem is that the US wants to put military bases on the Russian border. The USA is placing military bases all over the world and this is getting closer and closer to Russia's borders.

Imagine the opposite situation, how would the USA react?

The Russians are not without fault but neither is the USA.

I hope that the Ukrainian people will not suffer the madness of our leaders.

I'm not defending Russia, I'm just saying that they are not the only fotifs and that it's just a USA/RUSSIA war that other countries suffer.

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    Are you on drugs?

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      Because of my English? It's not my native language and I used a translator. If that's what I'm saying, do you have any arguments to contradict me? I think it's fashionable to say that others are wrong without giving an argument, but I don't see how that advances the debate.

      I'm not saying I'm right, I'm giving my point of view based on my research, but I'm ready to hear your arguments.

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        Very simple argument: if you attack the free country then you are to blame on 100%...

        If Putin has problem with US then he could have attacked them directly (from other side), but it doesn't change the point that he would be still 100% to blame

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          so, who defines the "free", people or capital? or some people? or another country? what about Kosovo and Yugoslavia? National sovereignty, human rights of some people, human rights of most people, interests of other countries, which is more important?

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          I condemn the invasion, but your argument is flawed, because of: Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, and Yemen.

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            You forgot about the campaign that "defensive" NATO took against the Republic of Yugoslavia. Actually, after that war it is hard to shock me anymore.

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        "If Putin has problem with US then he could have attcked them directly(from other side)."

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    That's something that is told on russian TV now.

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    The USA is placing military bases all over the world and this is getting closer and closer to Russia's borders.

    The truth is that the neighboring countries want these bases and NATO membership in particular in order to PROTECT THEMSELVES from potential Russian aggression. This, damn it, was the reason for the creation of this alliance, but in the days of the USSR. Neighboring countries such as Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Czech Republic, Estonia have become NATO members in the past and have the protection of the alliance. Ukraine, unfortunately, did not do it in time and is now suffering. Just as it was, for example, with Georgia and Moldova in the recent past.

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    I'm not going to try to debate given the number of unargued down votes, I'm not going to waste my time. Do you realize that this is the reverse of democracy?

    You criticize a dictatorship. Well, a dictator imposes his thought, those who want to give a counter argument disappear without explanation etc.

    Now "democracy" from here. What you are saying is definitely the truth. Those who have counter-arguments are down-voted as much as possible to make their message disappear without giving a single counter-argument. Basically, the only arguments you validate are those that go your way.

    Is this a democracy? is it not rather a kind of dictatorship of thought? "Think like me or disappear"

    It's sad that the majority of people have lost the ability to debate and just wish everyone would think like them.

    I am totally against the policy of Russia but I wanted to start a debate to highlight the policy of the USA in their desire to have control over the world and that their presence in Ukraine only serves their interests

    Make yourself happy to down vote my message.

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      Yea saying some shit views that no one agrees and getting downvoted is definitely dictatorship right? You didn't even reply to the arguments about your "counter-arguments" above. You are just leaving some shit opinion and calling people that disagree with u "dictatorship".

      You realize your comments can still be seen after downvote right? How is this "to make their message disappear"? If there really is a "dictatorship" against your comment, I couldn't even reply it as not only your comment would be deleted, you physically would also be deleted.

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        "Shit opinions", "You are just leaving some shit opinion and calling people that disagree with u "dictatorship"" Okay so what? We don't have the same opinion and instead of discussing you turn to violence. The goal is not to discuss having different opinions? To confront our arguments to arrive at better conclusions? I don't see how saying that sort of thing advances anything.

        Tomorrow if you are facing Russia, do you think that would help Ukraine?

        Yes, when I saw that my message had received a massive down vote, I didn't want to go any further. Isn't that understandable?

        What did I say that was so stupid?

        Imagine that Russia goes on the offensive. Do you really think NATO will fight against Russia? This war would potentially mean the destruction of part of the world. Does the US want to receive nuclear bombs for Ukraine?

        Either way, NATO or Russia would end up being defeated. Would Russia or NATO accept this defeat without using nuclear power?

        I don't see how Ukraine's presence in NATO would change anything. All these alliances on paper are very pretty but in fact a country only supports another to gain something.

        With Ukraine in NATO, the US will be able to put military bases on the Russian border. That Ukraine's presence in NATO makes NATO countries willing to risk everything for Ukraine is less certain.

        I agree that something needs to be done, but I think we need a Ukraine/Russia agreement without NATO getting involved

        Going back to my opinion about Russia, Westerners are using Ukraine to demonize Russia by pretending that it is the only villain in history. For Russian people, I am talking about international politics and not DOMESTIC politics, whether it is a dictatorship for its people is something else entirely. Do you really want NATO to meddle in your domestic politics and all that goes with it?

        I want to remind people that nice Americans dropped nukes on civilians. Were there any real sanctions against the USA? No, it's the USA that gives the sanctions and decides what is fair or not.

        There are no good guys or bad guys. Every leader wants to extend his power and that of his country and for that he is ready to sacrifice innocent people, it is the sad truth.

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          We don't have the same opinion and instead of discussing you turn to violence.

          You literally said "I'm not going to try to debate" in your first sentence. And yes I was a bit triggered when seeing people support or downplay dictatorship while trying to blame other people's argument as "dictatorship" and looks like you are against it. Sorry if my tone hurt your feelings.

          The goal is not to discuss having different opinions? To confront our arguments to arrive at better conclusions?

          Same as above, you should realize it was you saying don't want to discuss. I mean it's fine to not discuss, but you shouldn't just because people disagree with u and just blame it as "dictatorship".

          I don't see how saying that sort of thing advances anything.

          Yes, my point was just to point out your "reverse democracy" trick doesn't work.

          I agree that something needs to be done, but I think we need a Ukraine/Russia agreement without NATO getting involved

          What agreement do you think would be made if there is only Ukraine and Russia without others to help suppress Russia. You notice that Ukraine is getting invaded while Russia is having the ultimate military advantage right?

          There are no good guys or bad guys. Every leader wants to extend his power and that of his country and for that he is ready to sacrifice innocent people, it is the sad truth.

          Yea so when a leader tries to rob you and harm you, try not to say bad things to them or resist because everyone in the world is bad. Is that what you mean?

          Hope you could try to put yourself into someone's shoes. What would you feel if you are Ukrainian, seeing people you know harmed or damaged by the invaders while just some random guy trying to blame it on the USA instead of the invader.

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            For the first point, you are right, I contradicted myself.

            Ironic as it is, it's not someone's words on a forum that are going to hurt me. I just don't understand people who can't stay polite. It is literally the basis of a good education.

            You reverse things, I said I didn't want to chat anymore after being "censored" with no argument. Call it what you want, when a comment is hidden because it doesn't like it, it's a kind of Censorship.

            I don't mind if you disagree, but if you just downvote or insult, I don't feel like arguing.

            But why has Russia amassed these troops at the gates of Ukraine?

            I am for Ukraine to do what it wants, but my problem is the bad intentions of NATO which does not care at all about the Ukrainian people.

            I ask you, do you think the NATO countries will bring their soldiers to Ukraine in case of a Russian attack? (with nuclear risk)

            My whole point is based on that, for the moment, NATO is there because if Ukraine joins NATO, Russia will be easier to spy on.

            He disguises it all by talking about saving Ukraine, but that's the least of their worries.

            As I said before, I am totally against a Russian attack and I pity the Ukrainians, but I don't think the US is their saviour.

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      You should be against the policy of Putin and not Russia cus most Russians are against what he does and stands for.

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        Against its domestic or foreign policy?

        I do not live in Russia, how could I pretend to judge its internal policy?

        I don't agree with its foreign policy BUT I don't agree with NATO's foreign policy either, which is far from bringing peace to the world.

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        Exactly. Putin believes he can just wake up and invade a sovereign nation? Like, Who the fuck does he think he is? Barack Obama?

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          Putin is way psychopathic than Obama, pls don't compare them.

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            Did Putin kill 2 million Iraqis or was it Obama? Did Putin invade Libya and kill gaddafi/destroy their homes and economy or was that Obama's doing as well? Man,these media curated images of American presidents really does wonders. Your text to link here...

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      downvote is censorship oh no bunch of guys on cf didn't like what i said!!1 CENSORSHIP OAMFADF LITERALLY WORSE THAN HITLER

      you are a dumb mother fucker

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        Except it's the truth. If the votes didn't hide the message to reduce its visibility, it wouldn't.

        You are the kind of person who advocates peace in the world, good thinking etc. but who is not able to respect others and who resorts to violence at the slightest problem. After that you will criticize the Russian or Chinese policy which is based on that.

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          go back to school mr 6th grade understanding of censorship

          this time be quiet when the teacher's talking

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      This is how democracy works. If your opinion sucks, people will promptly let you know.

      And, by the way, your opinion does very much suck.

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        Don't be surprised that someones from some place think the downvote is undemocratic, because he can only upvote while claiming to be a democracy.

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    Yeah... You're completely correct. Those guys who downvote you don't want discuss the problem. They just want to attack someone.

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Well, I don't think that you will get relevant answer here. I can imagine that typical person from countryside will have different opinion than people doing CP. And (sadly) I believe thats the majority of population.

For example only 50% people in Slovakia are covid vaccinated but I don't know anyone that isn't (or maybe 1-2, but definitely not 50%).

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hope for the peace!

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I want to ask you all to understand and learn something. The modern Russian state is fascism, dictatorship, occupation and terrorism. All magnificent sports competitions, victories and achievements, manipulation of history are just a screen, one of the weapons of the modern bloodthirsty empire, headed by liars and scum. For them, the world is a game where you need to capture more territories and more "points of influence".

Please note that the Russian parliament voted 100% for starting a war against Ukraine. Not a single high-ranking Russian official spoke out publicly against this aggression. The same goes for big business and most (not all) media personalities.

The so-called hybrid part of this war began 8 years ago. Then they not only illegally annexed Crimea, but also occupied part of the richest industrial region of the country, destroying 20% ​​of GDP. They fueled hostilities and tensions in that region, trying to destroy the Ukrainian economy, causing people to lose faith in their country, and surrender to the occupation, become a Russian colony. And let their propaganda broadcast that they had nothing to do with it, lie about some "independent" republics, for 8 years there has been a Russian flag, Russian money, Russian soldiers, Russian weapons, Russian tanks and Russian media. It was a big bloody wound on the body of my country, where Russia poked with a stick, torturing and mocking all of us. For 8 years they killed Ukrainians, shot down planes, blackmailed, threatened and tried to deceive the whole world. But Ukraine survived, recovered and developed in spite of everything.

Today, all the masks have been dropped and Russia is making the last attempt — it is attacking ALL the territory of our homeland Ukraine, trying to destroy it and conquer it. Russian HiPutler is still trying to make some kind of sluggish clown fakes to justify this aggression for his internal audience, but they are so stupid and illogical that it doesn’t even make any sense to tell about them.

I don't know how you personally can help with this, but I just want each of you to know and remember this. Thank you.

And please do not think that this is some kind of copy-paste of Ukrainian propaganda, every word in this message was written by me personally.

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    Please note that the Russian parliament voted 100% for starting a war against Ukraine. Not a single high-ranking Russian official spoke out publicly against this aggression. The same goes for big business and most (not all) media personalities.

    Exactly what I am talking about — they are all terrified of Putin. Imagine what will happen if any of them objects or questions this decision — we all know what happened to Alexei Navalny.

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    Please note that the Russian parliament voted 100% for starting a war against Ukraine. Not a single high-ranking Russian official spoke out publicly against this aggression

    When Duma voted for the annexation of Crimea in 2014, out of four parliament members who didn't support it, two ended up being prosecuted, one is dead, and one is doing relatively okay but never managed to get re-elected. The artists and other public figures who criticized the government's actions got banned from performing.

    Russian people are not deep-rooted nationalists and imperialists. We are just scared to oppose Putin.

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      I want to add that the guy who is doing relatively okay was pushed out of the country by the threats of imprisonment. No doubt that he would have been in jail if he had stayed in Russia

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    Are you ok writing propagandistic stuff like that? "The modern Russian state is fascism, dictatorship, occupation and terrorism. All magnificent sports competitions, victories and achievements, manipulation of history are just a screen, one of the weapons of the modern bloodthirsty empire, headed by liars and scum." I am not supporting this war, but you are blaming russians in all bad stuff happening with Ukraine, offending us, which is leading to more and more hate between our countries. This sentences "For 8 years they killed Ukrainians, shot down planes, blackmailed, threatened and tried to deceive the whole world. But Ukraine survived, recovered and developed in spite of everything." are fully propaganda remembering Minsk agreements and how Ukraine were performed them. And once again, im against this war and i don't understand, why this is coming on. I did nothing bad to Ukrainians, and they did nothing bad to me. But your message brings nothing except more hate between our countries.

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      Let me please elaborate on the first statement. I certainly do not blame people who have achieved something under russian flag in science, sports, coding etc of promoting Russian imperialism. I'm just saying that Russia can use such achievements as a cover for its real inhumane guise, and nobody should be fooled by this.

      And yes, I'm completely ok with what I say. For each of my statements, I can give more and more justifications, facts, with specific events, dates, statements of officials, and so on. I am sure of what I say. Of course, our world is not black and white, but there are some things in it that are nowhere blacker.

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do people there (you, your friends, and your families) really believe in all the things that Putin says about Ukraine

He is not technically lying about most things as he mostly states value judgments, eels out of direct questions, and rarely makes any legally-binding pledges (as most politicians do).

His today's war declaration speech essentially boils down to "the US are warmongering assholes who invade countries on false pretenses, so why can't we also be warmongering assholes because we also have nukes and nobody will stop us". The stuff he said about neo-nazism is somewhat true, and the Russian-speaking population has indeed been suppressed in the post-2014 Ukrainian government, but this is definitely not enough justification for a full-scale invasion.

Russian state media is lying directly and a lot though. In Russia, journalists are disposable, while high-ranking politicians aren't.

Are you proud of living in a country that invades a neutral neighbor?

This time around, the sentiment is much more negative compared to 2014 (mostly because this time, people realize the connection between invading a country and economic sanctions). I would even bet that Putin won't get re-elected in 2024. Maybe he is just planning on realizing all his unpopular ambitions and retiring from politics so that the sanctions will be relaxed on the next (peaceful) government, which would be the best-case scenario.

Don't blame the common Russian people for this disaster, especially Russian competitive programmers on CodeForces. We just don't have any control ever since he got re-elected in 2012. Putin has been rigging elections, smothering independent media, and changing constitution (twice) to extend his term limits, and everyone who seriously opposed him is either in prison or dead.

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    Agree to all that you said — but do you really believe that Putin would allow himself to be unseated? The last election was blatantly rigged, and the next one will be the same.

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    Your references don't exactly support your claims. There is nothing there that would amount to "suppression of the Russian-speaking population", and the Right Sector, being undeniably far right, is nowhere near neo-Nazi, even if they are being characterized as such by Russian propaganda.

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Hope for peace.

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In Russia also so scary and sad(

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Hope for the peace

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Among my acquaintances only a very small part supports this madness (supported a few days ago at least)

Then again, I'm very biased and so is my circle of friends.

Unfortunately propaganda works much better then we would like to

And the people who claim to be apolitical end up being the most vulnerable and accepting the first information they come across (which of course happens to be propaganda)

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I am Russian and to me it's the most disgraceful day in Russian history.

We (liberals) tried to struggle with Putin since Bolotnoya protests in 2011. Unfortunately, the propaganda machine and Crimea annexation managed to return some popularity to him. In the end, he almost destroyed the civil society, independent media, elections and constitutional right of peaceful protest. You can read about the latest rigged elections here, for example. So the Duma which voted unanimously for the war doesn't represent Russian society.

Neither of my friends or colleagues support Putin or his foreign policy. It's somewhat worse when speaking about the families though — there is a part of society in Russia that wants to reestablish Russian/Soviet empire and prefers in to the fridge full of food.

F*ck the war.

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Mad respect to any Russian person writing against the Russian government's decisions here.

You all are truly orz.

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I’m not Russian.

I wonder what’s the other way to solve Ukraine problem.

The enlargement of NATO endangers Russia’s national security. Russia as an independent country can not bear enemy’s army stationed at it’s border. It’s just like you can’t bear your neighbour putting bombs at your gate.

Ukrainians say that Ukraine is a neutral country. But what a pity that it’s not the case. Ukraine’s oppression on Russians in the country proves this. Furthermore, the Ukraine problem is essentially a problem between Russia and the US. The US and the Europe have almost destroyed Russian’s economy, and now they even want to control Ukraine.

Puttin has given enough chance and time to Ukraine and NATO and the US, but they don’t change their policy on Ukraine any. Instead, they even take this opportunity to challenge and blackmail Russia more and more. Puttin has warned a thousand times that Russia won’t allow Ukraine becomes a member of NATO and stand against Russia. But Ukraine, Europe, America, no one has made a change. So Russia makes the change. Russia does not go on enduring any more.

Everyone cares about ‘Peace’ of Ukraine, but who cares about the peace of Russia? Ukraine joins NATO. The US infiltrate Russia more. Russia dissolves as USSR did in the past. Isn’t that exactly what you want to see?

There’re Russians CPer against Puttin. 5 years later you’ll be grateful to him for creating a safe growing environment for Russian children.

PS: I saw that similar comments have been downvoted a lot, and most people are against Puttin. Please don’t downvote me, thank you. Different opinions are valuable and should be seen by more people.

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    I think most people will disagree with you. I really hope that you won't get upvotes just because you are red, since reds on CF are frequently regarded as being 100% correct all the time.

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      You should not worry about that because I also realised people against me will be a lot more than who upvote me.

      I’m very sorry that my words seem like I support the war. I believe that no one will support a war. But what I want to say is, I noticed someone said it’s 100% a shame to invade an independent country. But not only a war is called invasion. What Western countries have done to Russia in past 40 years couldn’t be more excessive.

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        I am really curious regarding how the West has supposedly done damage to Russia and how that relates to Ukraine.

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        War is not the way to solve non-violent problems.

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          I agree with you, but I don’t know and I can’t imagine what’s the way.

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        so are saying that russia is trying to hurt usa by killing ukrainians. what the hell is their fault.

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      Your word is like, people who vote this is highly likely to be influenced by his color. Besides this misguiding and prejudice, i can't see any constructive advice from you.

      He's not supporting the war. In contrast, he wants to find a better way to help Russia get away from western country's economic sanctions.

      The reasons he's getting downvotes, which i could only see, is that he is the minority, the minority that is still talking rationally and calmly here.

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        Why do you think that seeking justification for invasion is calm talking?

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          Well, from my view his comments explain the relationship between Ukraine and Russia reasonably (as least the first half), meanwhile quite a few people don't know this. This has got nothing to do with the war.

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        It's true that my comment was a bit ad hominem-like, but I just told people not to get influenced by one's rating when judging the validity of the arguments presented in a comment. I will try not to express my opinion on Russia, nor who is rational or irrational, since this will only lead to infinite fruitless arguments in the comments and everyone will waste their time.

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          I agree on what you say and my post sounds somewhat attacktive too, it's nice for us to explain our real thoughts here.

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    The arguments can be discussed. The majority here and, I believe, in Russia will not support your statements. Quoting state-owned Russian channels is a thankless task. Collect pros and cons for your comment. See for yourself what will be more.

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      I said that I’m not Russian. But I think what I’ve written about the international situation is not completely a lie created by politicians. No matter you believe or not, you should admit it’s some kind of fact. Actually I’m very surprised that you Russian don’t realise Russia is in a dangerous environment. I’m sorry to say this bad-looking words but to tell the truth, Puttin really did a lot to make Russia a complete nation. (and Russians don’t thank him…)

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        Lmao imagine non-Russian casually preaching about Putin to Russian people who lived with him for two decades, suffered economic sanctions and political oppression

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          Hard to imagine a mature programmer casually judging other's view as a joke only because they are bystanders.

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            Yeah when the bystanders "tell the truth" about Putin to Russian people I naturally hope that it's a joke

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              Hello, ko_osaga, as you’re an LGM, I first say I admire your CP ability.

              Your words sound reasonable, but things may be not as easy as you thought.

              Economic sanctions are from the US and Europe, who want the country Russia disappear in the world. Political oppression comes after infiltration, as Puttin doesn’t want Russia to become South Korea — a country with US army everywhere.

              Can’t foreigners know Russia more than Russians do? This problem is just like: I heard that Ukrainian women have become who*es. But Ukrainians seem don’t care about this. No matter what they’ve lost, they’ve gain freedom(to use their body to exchange money) and democracy(to enjoy corrupt and useless government).

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                Don't waste your time. In Russia, for historical and cultural reasons (I can tell more detail in private), there are a galaxy of people who religiously consider any action of the Russian government to be bad, even helping sick children (this is a real case). Now they will ignore the genocide of Russians in the Donbas since 2014 in the civil war in the Ukarina, they will not notice dozens thousand refugees from the Donbass from the actions of the Ukrainian army in recent days.

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              But now you find that many CPers from China think they know Putin more than Russians and get downvotes.:)

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            Hard to imagine that someone thinks "A non-Russian realises Russia more than Russians" is not a joke.

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        india is surronded by hostile neibours on all sides but we didn't invade pakistan.

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    As a sovereign state, doesn't Ukraine have the right to join other organizations?

    Can Ukraine's desire to join NATO justify Russia's invasion?

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      Ukraine has the right to join NATO, but it should know the cost to do so. If you know that becoming against your strong neighbour and joining the activity that makes trouble to him will make your strong neighbour very unhappy, will you still do so?

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        So basically you(Russia) are being a bully and Ukraine should be your obedient slave.

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          I just mean Ukraine shouldn’t be too excessive. Ukraine can be neutral. But the problem is Ukraine says it is neutral but in fact it’s against Russia.

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      If Cuba or Mexico decides to join a military alliance with Russia or China I am sure US will either invade the country or will arrange a Coup. Remember Cuban missile crisis? I don't support any war at the same time we need to realize the situation of the world we live in. Hopefully one day people will abandon nationalism and only then we can have a peaceful world.

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        Even in Cuban missile crisis, the thing that US invades Cuba never happens. But now, that Russia invades Ukraine did happend.

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        Oh yeah, nationalism is the root of all evil, right? When you take away nationalism, people will just replace it with other identities and the result will be very similar. Just look at the USA, these people live in the same country yet they can't fathom each other because of race or gender or different ideology. They are so extreme, they blame and fight with each other day and night constantly while being blinded about their surroundings, resulting in the fall of the once great empire everybody used to fear/respect/love. People like you probably should come out of your dreams and accept the reality. People are assholes. And we will be like that no matter what happens.

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    I think you are right. NATO is a threat to world peace.

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    It's not the case of being a Russian or not a Russian, because Russians are in general not responsible for this sad day. But you support Putin and his military action. People like you are responsible for starting the war.

    I downvote for spreading lies, which is not valueable at all.

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    Everyone cares about ‘Peace’ of Ukraine, but who cares about the peace of Russia? Ukraine joins NATO. The US infiltrate Russia more. Russia dissolves as USSR did in the past. Isn’t that exactly what you want to see?

    If Russia is so delicate that it will dissolve because of the infiltration of US if it does not invade Ukraine, then let it dissolve, just like USSR did.

    The dissolve of USSR is a great thing for the world. The people who were under the repressive dictatorship of the Soviet Union were liberated. If Russia were such a totalitarian, it deserved to dissolve.

    I believe that someday Russia will become a modern civilized country, not the totalitarian like USSR as I have seen so many Russians in this post express their hope for peace and opposition to ruthless dictators like Putin.

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    Ukraine joins NATO. The US infiltrate Russia more. Russia dissolves as USSR did in the past.

    This seems like paranoia to me. Even though I get the concept of not wanting your enemy in your neighbourhood, I don't see how Ukraine joining NATO is equivalent to US infiltrating and even dissolving Russia. If a neighbour of US wanted to be friends with Russia and US invaded them, I believe most independent empathetic people would be against it too.

    Everyone cares about ‘Peace’ of Ukraine, but who cares about the peace of Russia?

    If there is an invasion of Russia, same type of people who are caring about Ukraine will care about Russia. And some others (maybe you) will be justifying the invasion.

    5 years later you’ll be grateful to him for creating a safe growing environment for Russian children.

    Really? You think I would be grateful to a murderer if he saves my child and kills someone else's child? Also did USSR's children get killed when USSR dissolved? Before this sentence, I was thinking of you being a rational empathetic person. But unfortunately you seem to lack empathy. You are talking about a war, where innocent people will be killed. The least you can do is to not justify it.

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    I'm not Russian either,

    no offense but what you wrote is absolutely stupid, first of all Ukrainians, as a sovereign country, have the right to join whatever they want, being that the Europe union or NATO. Second, What do you mean by Russia’s national security? Because in practice it seems that it means the Russian ability to invade other countries with no repercussions, the only real thing NATO does is dampening Russia's influence over the world matters, which given the circumstances, we all can agree is a good thing. Many countries joined NATO just to be able to escape Russian influence, too bad Ukraine was too slow.

    Perhaps the people that care for peace in Russia are the Russians that are in either in prison or dead.

    Anyway this could get much longer but I think that I exposed my point. Last, I will leave you with this idea: the borders didn't stop Russia from attacking through Belarus, if Ukraine's border is the problem today what will happen with Poland tomorrow that's not under Russian influence either. I'm sure, that given your skills, you can think recursively to solve this question.

    Have a good day spreading these "insightful" ideas as I'm sure that many aren't.

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      I don't have much time to reply dozens of comments under mine, so I've shut up in the past 12 hours. But your comment is worth replying I think.

      The opinions such as 'Ukraine as a sovereign country has the right to join NATO when they want' and 'Russia shouldn't drive their army into soverign country Ukraine' are based on so-called 'interational laws and orders' (after the Cold War). But unfortunately these 'laws and orders' that protect the 'soverign of a country' have been several times trampled, in Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, South America and anywhere. The US having been the first one to violate these orders hasn't got any punishment from anywhere in the world till now. So what's the reason for any one now using these orders to criticize Russia?

      The US and NATO makes trouble everywhere. Their behavior is like driving Ukraine to ride on Russia's head and take shit on Russia. But 'according to current interantional order' Russia can't beat him because 'that's a violent way'. Russia said 'If you continue to take shit on my head, I'll beat you' and nobody stops taking shit on Russia (especially when the US and NATO know that Russia has the millitary force indeed). And then Russia uses his millitary force, and the whole world is now shouting: Look! He uses violence! How a bloody facist he is!

      How do the f**king things make sense?

      And as I'm not a Christian I have to say that in my view a war is not the worst political action that a regime can take. It's just like beating a person is sometimes considered not more evil than raping a person. What Russia did is beating Ukraine, what NATO and the US did is raping Russia. Especially in past 20 years wars are not rarely seen in the world (But nobody cares, they only care about today Russia invades Ukraine. How double-standard.). Let alone the current millitary action hasn't killed any plain folk (even till now), and the number of soldiers died even hasn't exceeded the number of people died in east Ukraine before Russian army acts.

      I'm really not saying that it's not Russia's fault. But the US and NATO have their fault before Russia has its fault. The US and NATO are the really the war-makers. They provoke conflicts everywhere to satisfy their benifit, ignoring consequences of doing so. I don't know how will you feel if one day the US drive its army to your nation's border, give sanctions everyday and demonize your country and interfere your country's internal affairs. That's once again my idea: people give sympathy on Ukraine, but they don't give sympath on Afghanistan, Iran, Cuba, Russia and North Korea.

      It seems that Russia is the one to bully Ukraine. But sorry, it's not. Russia is the one to be bullied by NATO and the US. Ukraine relies on NATO and the US. At least before Thursday this is the fact: facing NATO and the US, Russia is the weaker one.

      Will you believe what your media tells you? Russia is an evil country that invades innocent Ukraine? Have you noticed that the US and the Europe decided not to use their millitary force, instead only watching the war going on and give sanctions to Russia? They don't use their millitary because they don't want to help Ukraine. They think Ukraine is not worth helping. They give sanctions to Russia just because they find a new excuse to strike Russia. Western politicians know more than people under this blog: Justice is a concept defined by themselves.

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        Let alone the current millitary action hasn't killed any plain folk (even till now)

        What moon did you fall from? Even in such trifles you write a terrible lie. And at the same time, your vision of the "big picture" is so primitive and out of touch with reality. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

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          Then what’s the death number? I found the number was 137 in 24th Feb. How many among these are not soldiers do you think? Give me the number please!

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            The official number is 57 civilian after first day, yet it's hard to judge when the whole country is under war. But bullshit about "any plain folk" can be simply refuted by the photos of dead people after hitting residential buildings by the first missile attack at 5AM, and after that there was a huge number of missile attacks on residential areas.

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              OK you give the number, then I admit I was wrong. (I only consider situations yesterday.) Still please think if now it’s not Russian army in Ukraine instead of US army. 47000 people died in Afghanistan.

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                Please google the number of civilian casualties in Soviet–Afghan War, and First and Second Chechen wars as well. And stop trying to justify the crimes of one by the fact that someone else did something wrong too.

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                  And stop trying to justify the crimes of one by the fact that someone else did something wrong too.

                  Hope that you didn't mean Ukraine can do anything to Russia but Russia can't do anything to Ukraine.

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                  Are you out of your mind at all? Why the hell would we attack a country with nuclear weapons and one of the most powerful armies in the world?

                  Ukraine has never done anything to Russia and never intended to do anything.

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                  Sorry I think we both become irrational. First I say my words in the past few hours have many faults. And I also think your statement ‘Ukraine never intended to do anything’ is not that right. I will totally shut up this time and hope you safe from war.

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                  Ukraine has never done anything to Russia and never intended to do anything.

                  ARE YOU SURE?You'd better ask your actor-president who is elected by you ukranian.

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                  My actor-president produced several comedy films that were very popular in Russia. I hope it was not as terrible for the Russian people as the Russian bombing of Ukrainian cities.

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                  Ukrain is a small country with no strong army, but if the USA build some bases in it, it will be a big problem for Russia. We asked you and your friend for guarantees of our safety. You refused. So we have no choice. Don't be angry, the USA and NATO did the same with other countries 100 times. Noone wants to hurt you, just drop your weapon or you will be destroyed. Talk about the law with your american friends.

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                  4% of russian border with European NATO countries. It is stupid to attack Ukraine in that sense.

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            Some Ukrainian residents shot at each other after getting guns. They were considered Russian spies and were killed by Ukrainian army. I think they will surely be counted as "innocent people killed by the Russian army".

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        I agree with you!:) In my opinion putin is trying to makesure the safety of his own country by his own method :/

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        war is not the worst political action that a regime can take

        Easy to say when you're miles away from the battlefield and safe in your mom's basement

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      NATO and USA occupied Iraq and declare Kosova as a republic. Why thay can defy the law and we can't? Why they can capture other countries and we cant? We have a nuclear bomb too, so if NATO attacks Russia, there will be a big boom.

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        Are you really ask why you can't capture other countries? Do you really don't care about others lives?

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          We dont want do hurt civillians. At first we attacked only millitary objects of Ukrain. But now you give weapon to every civillian in your country. In fact we already won, but there are too many of yours in the cities with guns, so we dont want to rush them. But we can attack them from air. Drop your weapon and "war" will be over. Or you will be dead.

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            You bombarded hospitals and there was accident of bombarding kindergarten.

            Go fuck from Ukraine, we dont ask you here.

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              We dont give a fuck, Iraq people also didnt asked about the USA, but they came and killed about 4.500 civs. Its only your fault, that you dont want to surrender. Blood means blood.

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War in 21th century, looks like a joke.

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discussion is good, but not enough. It is necessary to act. Majority is against the war and Putin's regime. Let's demonstrate this.

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It is so unfortunate that a handful of individuals create such a madness that will kill tens or hundreds of thousands (most of them innocent civilians) and affect millions of people.

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Devils are heating boilers in hell for russian soldiers and politicians. It is unfair to blame all of the russians though(especially those that are present on codeforces and seem to be absolutely adequate)

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I'm russian (for which I am ashamed these days)

And unfortunately I see no other solution to the current situation than direct military intervention of NATO

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    According to my observation, as long as you mention Taiwan, there will be countless Chinese using countless accounts to give you downvote. You will lose your contribution faster than Ukraine will lose Kiev.

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      You will lose your contribution faster than Ukraine will lose Kiev.

      Yeah. And we think the two problems are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

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    Taiwai always belongs to China

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      I agree with you. I don't know why others against the opinion.

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    I don't know what do you mean, but you have to admit Taiwan is a part of China.

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    If you insist on slandering China, I can't agree with you. Hope a peaceful world.

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        I have to say slander is of no use though I disagree with him.

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        Before I see this picture, I have never heard of "social credit" .

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          A while back some talking heads in China proposed a system where people would be given a score based on their social behavior or something.

          It became a big meme for the authoritarianism of the Chinese regime.

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            ？

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            I would say that the information you know is false. If you insist on slandering China, I can't agree with you. And I don't think CF should be a website that discusses politics and slanders other countries. Love and peace.

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              AFAIK there's no such system actually in use in China — but the fact that it even was a serious idea is a big meme

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        You must apologize!

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    I Hate Politics.

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      ->What's the correlation between your stupid picture and the matter which this post discusses? I'm sorry, but I believe the topics ARE related.

      At this point, everyone knows China has good relations with Russia. Russia wants Ukraine. China wants Taiwan. Both have problems with the US. Why can't they invade in similar times so the US will have a problem exerting its power? They will need to divert their attention to two distinct corners of the globe. It's IMPOSSIBLE that China nor Russia considered an invasion together. There are CLEAR advantages if China invades Taiwan NOW. I believe that's what codebuster_10 fears.

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        I Hate Politics.

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        I wonder why the US will go half-way round the globe to exerting its power on even other's country?

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        If you really know Chinese history, you would not have this remark

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        Do you know the 1992 Consensus? No matter what, Taiwan will never be an independent country.

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      Ah yes, the quintessential Chinese experience.

      Stating facts is an attack on China. Everything is an attack on China. Sneezing too hard is an attack on China.

      Your government's imperialism is clear to all the world. Stop embarrassing yourself.

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        But you didn't show any evidence.

        I can give you a lot of evidence. Cairo Declaration Joint Communique of the United States of America and the People's Republic of China . . .

        Taiwan was invaded by the Japanese and returned to China after World War II. After the fall of the Kuomintang government, the United States launched the Korean War to invade the Korean peninsula and prevent the reunification of China. Later, Beijing replaced Taipei in the United Nations, and the United States recognized the government of the People's Republic of China as the sole legitimate government of China.

        To make an analogy: Russia = America Ukraine = China Luhansk+Donetsk=Taiwan

        The United States has always been the invader, whether in Afghanistan, Vietnam or the Korean peninsula.

        how dare you?

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          1. The Korean War was launched because Kim Il-sung invaded South Korea. China decided to join in to help Kim. What the fuck is that bullshit above about unification?

          2. About Taiwan: In the past, sure, Taiwan considered itself China. But enough time and people start to change their minds. Most people in Taiwan today were born after the Civil War and wants nothing to do with China. The current status quo is maintained because of China and China alone.

          3. It's funny that you mentioned Vietnam. Just four years after the Vietnam War ended, guess who knocked on Vietnam's door? Well, isn't it your precious anti-imperialist China. And their excuse? Vietnam overthrowing Pol Pot. Pol fucking Pot, for fuck's sake. Luckily for Vietnam, fighting on one front over mountainous terrain makes it easy to stalemate a superior army. Anyway, that's not mentioning literally all the other times that China have invaded Vietnam in the past.

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            Regarding the Korean War, it has been justified to be a justice war helping weaker buddy with no mention of North Korea’s invades in Chinese history book.

            Surprisingly, to me there are even more Chinese supporting Putin and this war compared to the real Russian — correct me if I’m wrong. I don’t know how to judge this... sounds cool.

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              In Russia the economy is bad and covid is rampant, so Putin is unpopular right now. Adding this on to the top makes him even less popular.

              I don't know why Chinese people (or anyone) would back Putin, but I'd guess it's Cold War campist stuff. Here in Vietnam there are some idiots who also think like this, despite the blindingly obvious parallels between Ukraine and Vietnam :(

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                I believe social media impact in China plays a significant role — currently even some official media accounts support Russia and Putin where they are supervised by CCP due to some xxx rules. Imagine when you get up and look for some news, there are bunch of news supporting Putin and trying to illustrate the Justice of this WAR — you will be hard to have independent thoughts.

                Besides of this, you will be insulted by tons of f words once you post some comments on CN social platform about supporting Ukraine or stopping this war etc, which is ridiculous.

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                  But in fact, I haven't seen any official article in China showing support for Putin. We are just reporting the war objectively. And there's a lot of analysis on social media about why we shouldn't support Russia, and there's a lot of agreement.

                  I think those who firmly support Russia's war in the article are intentional, but please believe that the vast majority of Chinese people are sober

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                  lie

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                  Why not just check weibo and zhihu's comments under "how to comment on the war between Ukraine and Russia?" and see every following discussion under the comments about "supporting Ukraine". You can statiscally count how many user vote for Ukranine or Russian. If you can't find these topics, please let me know so I can DM you.

                  Interestingly, the "vast majority" you just mentioned who are sober just made bunch of rubbish words on comments which supports Ukraine — that's even for Zhihu. For weibo, I can't even talk more about that.

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                  ok you think I'm lying — so please point out which part I lied. We need evidence.

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                  Sorry, the "vast majority" here don't include those who follow the trend without brains. What's more, those who remain neutral will never speak on these platforms

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                  hmm.. that's tricky. ok you filtered out all the people "without-brain" and only count the "neutral" people. Then how can we obtain the statistical indicator "vast majority"? So far I can't find any platform consisting of people "with brain" as what you just defined.

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                  ok I admit that maybe my words are a little absolute, but there is no official news to show that China guides the people to support Russia, right?

                  Just like in this article, don't many people still think that this war has no legitimacy?

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                  ok I count some local media accounts as "official" since they are all supervised by CCP. Ofcourse there does not exist actual "official" media account supporting either side.

                  For the article you just mentioned, you can check the comments under zhangwei's answer.

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                  What about the other articles? What's the point with those self righteous people? Finally, I hope to stop this topic, because we live in different environments and have different ideas. No one can convince anyone. Let's pray for the early end of the war!

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                  What do you think it is if there aren't any idiots in a country with 1.4 billion people?

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        Stop embarrassing yourself by throwing around the word 'imperialism' so easily.

        Being a red coder means you are good at CP, not that you know anything about China.

        China only wants Taiwan back. Hong Kong, Tibet, Xinjiang, and Macao are all part of China. Taiwan is just being stupid and is trying to hug the leg of it's 'daddy America'.

        Mongolia was also part of China before it cut off 100 years ago and made it it's own country, but you've never heard of China trying to get Mongolia back have you?

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          China only wants Taiwan back. Hong Kong, Tibet, Xinjiang, and Macao are all part of China. Taiwan is just being stupid and is trying to hug the leg of it's 'daddy America'.

          This is like the most imperialist sentence that was ever imperialist.

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            The 1992 consensus can at least explain that no matter which party is in power, the Chinese mainland and Taiwan belong to the same country.

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            Well done.

            I type these words with great outrage, I think my friends at Codeforces should be able to think without preconceptions, but for some, it seems I was wrong.

            I would like to hear your opinion on the US backing the coup in Chile and provoking the Vietnam War. China and Taiwan are at least one ethnic group, so what about Chile, which has no ethnic identity with the United States? When you identified China as imperialism, did you ever think about the United States that told you these words, how was it?

            You think China's claim to Taiwan's sovereignty is imperialist, so how do you evaluate a country that has waged more than 200 wars since its founding?

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              Imperialistic as well. I dislike US policy as much as I dislike Russian or Chinese why is that hard to understand?

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              Im not saying the US isnt imperialist, and in fact, US history is built on imperialism (for example, they literally expanded their territory from the east to the west coast of north america).

              The fact is, this attempt to get control of taiwan is imperialism and justifications like "ofc we want this territory, it should belong to us" are used time and time again by imperialist regimes (for example, Putin claims that Ukraine and Russia share history as justification for what is happening, and the United States had their own excuse for their own imperialism).

              Every country has their own dirt, lets not pretend otherwise

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      No, China is a part of Taiwan (Republic of China).

      PRC is the invader.

      Note: this is the statement from the textbook in Taiwan. (for guys who don't know the point)

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        Japan was the invader . It just a dog of USA now

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          Sure, why not?
          I really want to know how people from China learned about their history.

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            The same question to you.

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            Could you explain what does the "invader" mean in a civil war?

            "To enter a place in large numbers, especially in a way that causes damage or confusion"

            Here's the Oxford Dictionary's explanation.

            The definition of invasion is conflict with civil war, I don't understand how you relate civil war to invasion.

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        You're using your alt. If you think that you're talking sense, use your main account. Don't be a chicken. Then you'll get a rain of downvotes.

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        I want to say something, but It won't work for a fool.

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        At that time CCP and KMT are both political party of China. I don't know why you call it "invade".

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          The statement is derived from the Constitution law of the Republic of China.
          As I stated in the first line, China is a part of Taiwan (Republic of China).

          I know no one would believe it (including most of the Taiwanese), but it is the law in Taiwan (Republic of China).

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            Few people know that the Chinese Kuomintang and the Chinese Communist Party have had two periods of cooperation.

            For the first time, 1923-1927, the Chinese Communist Party joined the Kuomintang as an individual, and under the leadership of Sun Yat-sen, overthrew the rule of the Beiyang warlords.

            The second time, 1936-1945, after the Xi'an Incident, the two parties jointly fought against Japan.

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              Do you know Whampoa Military Academy (1924)?

              Chiang Kai-shek was the president and Zhou Enlai was the director of the political department.

              Students of the Whampoa Military Academy, who later became the army of the Chinese Kuomintang and the Chinese Communist Party.

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              The second time was actually 1936 to 1941, until South Anhui Incident.

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            When you're representing an illegitimate government, it doesn't matter what you say.

            The "Republic of China" is not recognized internationally, and its "constitution" is also paper in the toilet

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        Note: this is the statement from the textbook in Taiwan.

        Therefore, why you claim that is true without thinking about the opinions in Chinese Mainland and just say “No” at the beginning?

        I know that presenting the opinions from the point of view of my country could be one-sided, but consider that more objectively, plz.

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        I can never wake up a person who pretends to sleep.

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        Taiwan, Inalienable Part of China.

        Note:this is the statement from the textbook in China.(for Chinese who still don't know the fact)

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        I think your fuck brain was eaten by dog

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      Relax bro, when the USA in fact declare Taiwan as independent, liberals stay quiet. When Russia did the same with Donbas, every dog in Europe starts barking. We will return Kiev and you will return Taiwan, whatever these motherfuckers say.

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    Regardless of one's opinion on Taiwan, posting memes on a blog with such a serious topic is just inappropriate.

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    You have a lot of nerve.

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War lords are playing game and end of the day,general people are the worst sufferer.

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I do not see this post as political, but I see it as a humanitarian post, War brings nothing but death and destruction, We are now in 2022, I used to think that wars that lead people to death are over, Everyone should live in peace, I hope this war will end without further losses.

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    so, what's the meanging of NATO exist?

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      To protect the benefit of a small number of people.

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      To stop headless authoritarians from destroying that peace

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snarknews, what will happen to Northern Eurasia Regional Contests?

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    Let's wait when the war ends and Ukraine will join NERC.

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pray for the safety of Ukrainian people

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For individuals, no one wants to see war happen.

But for nations (not only Russia, right?), for the sake of profit, sometimes it is necessary. That's the sad thing about civilization, isn't it?

I'm wondering how beautiful the world would be if every single person on the planet can be united...

Hopefully in the near future there will be no wars on this beautiful planet.

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    Yeah for the sake of profit we can murder people, sometimes it is necessary. Sad life!

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    War is not profitable to the countries directly involved. It can be profitable to some companies or individuals, but not to the nation as a whole.

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      Yes but these countries would have had more to lose if they hadn't gone to war. That's sad!

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      War is profitable for cinema

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      Russia doesn't profit from invading Ukraine. Actually, America does profit as a whole, because it gets to sell weapons and armor and tanks and planes everywhere, as Biden said he wouldn't send any troops. Please don't tell me I'm brainwashed — I live in the US.

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        This is true. The US with its enlarging NATO should be responsible for the war.

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          husshh. Dont tell them the truth. They believe America is the 'protector of world peace'

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        suddenly everyone on codeforces is an expert in politics, history and economics. If what you say is true, the US stock market would not have reacted so poorly on the invasion, are you suggesting you are smarter than all the hedge fund in finance? Yes, they might make some money from sales of weapons, but they will lose out on getting access to oil/commodities in russia,

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          These experts are all from China, they understand Ukraine, Russia and US better than anyone in any other country (including Ukraine, Russia, and US).

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War is the cruelest result. But behind the war, geopolitical conflicts and ideological conflicts cannot be ignored. Holding high the banner of human rights and freedom will not resolve conflicts. Fighting violence with violence will only bring deeper pain. From what I have observed, most Chinese attribute the conflict to NATO's eastward expansion and the United States. Just as most people outside China believe in Xinjiang and Hong Kong and Taiwan in the media, when you ignore historical factors and capital the more brutal effect, bashing Russia became the only option.

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    You are right.No matter what, we all want world peace .

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    Why did you have to pull China into this? Yes, people ignore historical factors which is why most people keep flaming China about Hong Kong and Taiwan. Taiwan isn't in the UN, and almost no countries recognize it as a country. But this is different. Ukraine is the biggest country in Europe (if you don't count russia). I guess Putin wants to bring back the Soviet Union, I'm not sure why though.

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      Thanks for your opinion. Because I think most people who don't care about the reasons for the conflict and the deeper historical reasons will only talk about Ukraine's sovereignty (excluding the people of Ukraine and Russia) with their ass deciding their heads. When NATO expands eastward and the United States exerts extreme pressure I feel like I'm doing something wrong. Imagine if Sevastopol was stationed with NATO troops, what would Russia's strategic security look like? Will it disintegrate a second time like Yugoslavia or is it like today's Middle East? NATO and their allies sometimes talk about human rights and sometimes about sovereignty. When Israel, Saudi Arabia and other countries do things that damage human rights and sovereignty, extraterritorial countries have not taken extensive sanctions and actual actions. In short, double standards should not be applied, and the cause of the war is not just Russia.

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Glory to Ukraine!

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PEACE! ;(

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Moral of the Story: Never surrender your nukes

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PEACE

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Can we please delete this post? It became a place of political propaganda, causing more hatred between both sides and now it attracts a lot of trolls either.

The situation is sad overall, I think there is no place for political hatred and shitposting on codeforces, it offends me as ukrainian currently living in Russia.

I come here to read funny posts about WAs, TLs and cheaters in div2 problems from green rated guys, not to read very important political thoughts from random guys around the globe about political situation between Russia and Ukraine.

MikeMirzayanov Please stop this nonsense, I believe that this site is not a place for this.

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    I agree. I believe that this site is not a place for this.

    codeforces is becoming Political these days.

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    As a green , your comment offends me too.

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    Closing eyes on the problems is exactly the reason why we have Putin threatening the world peace now

    Such a behaviour should be discouraged and criticized everywhere no matter the place.

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      I agree with Wild_Hamster that this blog shouldn't have existed in the first place.

      Now coming back to the above comment, I don't agree with what you said applies here. What exactly can you achieve for de-escalating this issue by commenting on a political topic that too on a website not related to the political agenda by far? The answer is simple, nothing.

      Are you proud of living in a country that invades a neutral neighbor?

      Now this is a question to kostka , I agree this invasion is not justified, but why are you making it sound like this is a choice a normal public citizen took by including the words like "proud to live in such a country"? This has nothing to do with normal citizens living nor do they have any control over any of the ongoing situations whatsoever?

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        Such acts happen with silent approval of those who remain silent

        That's all I have to say

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    I think this thread shouldn't be removed.

    1) This is not a thread about politics but about a war in Ukraine.

    2) There are people from our community involved in this war.

    3) Very few comments in this thread can be described as 'political hatred' — and most of them have negative contribution. Overall I feel like the comments are supporting, not hateful.

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    Stand with Wild_Hamster on this one.Here you won't get any information about what is really going on. Wanna feel kinda connected? Go read some news and get your own opinion and donate to any reasonable organisation that actually helps people.

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    You have a choice not to read comments of this post.

    War is so important and people want to discuss it with their friends and community.

    I'm interested in an opinion of CP community as usually any person here has good analytical skills. (but I keep in mind that not everyone did research about this topic)

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    I disagree. As Um_nik said, people being "apolitic" is what leads to situations like this in the first place. This is what makes people think that nothing they can do matters (not only right now, but ever), or lets them believe some utter propaganda. Such things won't just go away if you turn a blind eye to them, they will only get worse.

    Blog posts like this one are important, they let some people know that they're not alone. They let people see each other beyond stereotypes. If anybody after reading this blog post and discussion here questions their perception or rethinks their views on some important issues (maybe not now, but blog post might be a needed slight push for it), the blog was not in vain.

    I get it that the blog is emotional and might be perceived as an offense, but it's really hard for all of us to keep our cool when stuff like that happens. It doesn't mean that we should only keep it to ourselves at times of hardship.

    If you're really annoyed and don't want to read important political thoughts, you're free to skip the post. Read some funny posts, about WAs and TLs. Others will figure out for themselves what they want or do not want to do here.

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      people being "apolitic" is what leads to situations like this in the first place

      On CF?

      In other words, CF must be full of politics to prevent war? No, I don't think CF focusing on politics is such a super world-class influential move.

      Blog posts like this one are important, they let some people know that they're not alone. They let people see each other beyond stereotypes. If anybody after reading this blog post and discussion here questions their perception or rethinks their views on some important issues (maybe not now, but blog post might be a needed slight push for it), the blog was not in vain.

      That assumes all effects are in one direction only. How about if someone reads this post and moves more towards supporting Putin? An adverse effect, however small. You'll probably claim that's impossible.

      If there are literally no other places than CF where you can talk about this, you have big problems in your life. I'm on a bunch of forums for general discussion, including sections for current events — I can tell you very clearly that you have many other options. CF isn't that, CF is a competitive programming site. Politics should be limited here.

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        In other words, CF must be full of politics to prevent war?

        In other words, being apolitic is not good per se, and CF should not remove this blog just for the sake of being apolitic. I didn't suggest putting a big political banner or raising the blog post to the main page or anything that could be perceived as making CF politics-focused.

        But CF is not just a competitive programming site, it is also a community. Many prominent members of the community or their family members are directly threatened because of the war. I don't think it is appropriate to forcefully shut down discussions that naturally arise from the fact.

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          It is not on the main page, but yet still it is on the first page and appears in top3 blogs for the last couple of days, which this blog doesn't deserve comparing to really useful CP blogs. Because everybody nowadays is a political expert and must say their very important opinion on every site they see where this discussion begins. If somebody wants to express their very important opinion about politics, I believe codeforces is not the right place for this.

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          In other words, being apolitic is not good per se, and CF should not remove this blog just for the sake of being apolitic.

          I didn't say that, don't dodge. I oppose the way niche sites are elevated to critical saviours of the world when it's just repeating what's absolutely everywhere else.

          But CF is not just a competitive programming site, it is also a community. Many prominent members of the community or their family members are directly threatened because of the war. I don't think it is appropriate to forcefully shut down discussions that naturally arise from the fact.

          Again: on CF? It's a community but it's a competitive programming community. If someone needs to go to CF to be part of any community at all, that's a terribly limited life and indicates much greater problems. I expect CF to be here for cp and other places to be on the internet (or irl) for general topics, with only small tangential discussion about this war. That's how it's been before.

          It's not like the blogs (plural) are full of support towards struggling Ukrainians, there's plenty of political arguments (even some Putin shills) and shitposting, so the bleeding heart argument doesn't work when you look at the content.

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    I agree.

    Once I posted 'China orz'. It also became a political discussion at last as I don't mean to do so.

    Just discussing it on twitter or other social platforms is better.

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      codeforces is no less than social platform for many of us.

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      Doing literally anything literally anywhere is better than discussing politics on Twitter.

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        Invading Ukraine isn’t…

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    Does this thread make you uncomfortable? Maybe swapping places with Um_nik will make you more comfortable?

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ruskis neighbours with romanskis yet again, some things will never change here in romania

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Make love, not war.

And I can't say anything else.

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As a russian I could say, that Ukrain is Russia, and USA and NATO must stfu about this situation, because they did the same 100 times. Glory to Russia!

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kostka, Sir, though this post is political but apart from CP one must care for others.In 21st century what everyone wants is Development. Cruelty by Russia over Ukraine is unacceptable. What is more fearful that some ministers and officers will easily escape all these shit(like in Afghanistan in 2021) but common man has to suffer. If we did not stand today with Ukraine then may be 50 years after it would be our country. Remember , Democracy > Dictatorship. Dialogues are solution not the battles and war. Prayers for Ukraine.

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Of course I won't talk about my hatred of war Even if I am not a party to it, war is a cruel thing But I want you to imagine that what the Ukrainians are currently experiencing, the children of my country in Gaza have been living in for 16 years

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Hope it will be ok. At the end of the day, we all just want peace.

Anyways, for now I wish to all of you good luck on hashcode. And in life.

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Honestly I saw a video of Putin with his Chief of spy , look at the fear on his face. I cant imagine how can normal people dare to speak anything against such rulers. Video

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Wish it threw WRONG ANSWER ON TEST CASE-1 every time a weapon fired to claim an innocent life.

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Ukraine shouldn't have gave up their nukes. Conclusion: a nuke pile is the most usefull useless thing in this world.

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First of all, propaganda is only aimed at the unintelligent, because the intelligent know it's propaganda, and if they do it's not propaganda to them anymore.

Note: just because you are educated doesn't mean you are intelligent.

So no, most Russians don't support invading Ukraine.

Next, please stop comparing Ukraine to Taiwan. As many people have stated already, Ukraine is a country (the biggest in Europe, in fact, if you don't count Russia), while Taiwan, or Republic of China, has a constitution that still says Taiwan is part of greater China, and is not, thus, a country.

Yes, Russia should not have invaded Ukraine. I don't know what Putin is thinking. In fact, I don't think anyone does. Some people theorize he wants to 'make the Soviet Union great again'. Others think Russia just wants more farmland because most of Russia isn't fit for agriculture.

However, Russia will probably not touch any NATO countries. Touching Ukraine is like poking the US, but touching a NATO country would be like slapping the US in the face. As powerful as Putin is even if he is standing at the same level as Biden, I highly doubt he, or any of his successors, would go that far.

Also, I don't think China, on a deeper level, completely supports Russia. On the surface they do because they mutually benefit from the trade (Russia gets economic benefits while China gets more natural resources), but Ukraine is part of China's BRI (Belt and Road Initiative) so Russia invading Ukraine kind of messes that up. And China and Ukraine had a fairly good diplomatic relations too.

Finally, I believe the US, if it's going to always be talking about Putin and Ukraine, should do something better than just implementing sanctions. Sanctions don't work, and the White House knows that. So when Biden says he's going to implement severe sanctions, he's essentially just saying 'You know what, there's nothing we can do about it. We won't even be sending troops over there (yes he did actually say that the US won't send troops). But we're just going to pretend we're doing something by implementing more sanctions'.

Also, by implementing sanctions, the US is only hurting the Russian people. Putin isn't affected at all.

Um_nik, it would be really helpful if you gave your thoughts on this.

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    In fact, the United States sent troops, but it was to bomb Somalia

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    Why? The fact that I'm moderately good at CP doesn't mean I'm an expert in politics or war or that I have anything meaningful to say. Right now I'm just a scared boy whose life is in danger.

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    First of all, propaganda is only aimed at the unintelligent, because the intelligent know it's propaganda, and if they do it's not propaganda to them anymore.

    First of all, you are probably more of a victim to propaganda than you realize. It's not made to change you radically the moment you see it. Heck, it might not even be meant to change you. Merely silencing the opponents and making them wonder, even for a second, if they are right is a huge achievement.

    I have a question. Can you define, in concise terms, what constitutes as propaganda? Any political (or sometimes apolitical) statement can be equally regarded as propaganda. Can you prove the good will of the president of the US? Probably not. Can you disprove every conspiracy theory you see? No. So how can you assume one is clearly propaganda or whatever and take the other one at face value? It is very hard, if not impossible, to define "the truth" in many situations.

    (Just to be clear, I, based on my very personal view, want this invasion to come to an end as soon as possible and peace be restored in all parts of the Ukraine. Besides, Russia is clearly running a disinformation campaign that should be neutralized in the best way possible.)

    Finally, I believe the US, if it's going to always be talking about Putin and Ukraine, should do something better than just implementing sanctions. Sanctions don't work

    Well, here is an excellent article to read (copied the link from xkcd website): So you want to reform democracy

    Why am I mentioning this seemingly unrelated article here? Because the issue raised here follows the exact same approach as reforming democracy in an afternoon. There are hundreds of people getting high 6/7 figures salaries to think 9to5 or more of exactly this type of situation, have wayyy more information than all of this thread combined, and can make much better decisions as a result.

    Criticizing a government is justified here, but we all should accept that the stakes are high: WW3 and total earth destruction are not impossible in case of a single bad decision. It's easy to blame everything on the US for being too selfish, while ignoring the fact that there aren't too many options on the table right now.

    Thus sticking with sanctions only for now doesn't seem that unreasonable of a decision to make. Plus, you shouldn't underestimate the effects sanctions have. It shouldn't come as a surprise that people tend to start a revolution whenever they fear all they have achieved over many years is going to vanish in a short amount of time (This statement didn't came out of the blue. There is some text supporting it).

    Anyway, this isn't reddit and lengthier discussions are better left for other platforms.

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    Yes, Russia should not have invaded Ukraine. I don't know what Putin is thinking. In fact, I don't think anyone does. Some people theorize he wants to 'make the Soviet Union great again'. Others think Russia just wants more farmland because most of Russia isn't fit for agriculture. In fact, it is because Putin believes that Ukraine's membership in NATO poses a threat to Russia's national security.

    As Chinese, we oppose this war, and we think the problem should be solved through negotiation.

    The dispute between Russia and Ukraine is complex and historical. A thousand years ago, Russia and Ukraine were the same nation. A few decades ago, Russia and Ukraine belonged to the same powerful country. They were originally close countries like brothers. I sincerely hope that Russia and Ukraine can resume normal diplomatic relations and develop peacefully.

    Ukraine is a strong country, I hope the Ukrainian people can get through this difficult time and bless Ukraine.

    From Google Translate, my original text is:

    `事实上，是因为普京认为乌克兰加入北约对俄罗斯的国家安全构成威胁。

    作为中国人，我们反对这场战争,我们认为应该通过谈判解决问题。

    俄罗斯和乌克兰的争端是复杂的、历史的，一千年前，俄罗斯和乌克兰是同一个民族，几十年前，俄罗斯和乌克兰同属于一个强大的国家，他们本来是像兄弟一样亲密的国家。我真心希望俄罗斯和乌克兰可以恢复正常的外交关系，和平发展。

    乌克兰是一个坚强的国家，我希望乌克兰人民可以度过这次难关，为乌克兰祝福。`

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    You know why Taiwan claims mainland China as well? It's because China will declare war on them 1 2 if they retract the claim. In reality, Taiwan does not want to conquer China, they want to be independent.

    And in 2000, when Taiwan elected Chen Shui-bian as president, Beijing was alarmed. Mr Chen had openly backed "independence".

    A year after Mr Chen was re-elected in 2004, China passed a so-called anti-secession law, stating China's right to use "non-peaceful means" against Taiwan if it tried to "secede" from China.

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      Have you ever been to Taiwan and talked with a real person living there?

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Notice that most Russians denounce Russian invasion, but most Chinese commies defend it.

What could it mean?

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    Look, most Chinese denounce it too. As I said, Ukraine is part of China's Belt and Road Initiative. It doesn't do China much good for Russia to invade Ukraine.

    Also why are you so fucking racist? And also so stupid that you don't even know what communism is. China isn't communist, Chinese people are not communist, and communism is neutral.

    here's google's definition of communism: 'a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs

    What could it mean? All it could mean is that you're brainwashed. You clearly fit my comment above yours: just because you are educated doesn't mean you are intelligent.

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        Most CPC members don't support communism anymore. They started removing communist parts since the death of Mao. Just like other people they didn't like most of what Mao did to the country.

        Current ideology is "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics" which is mix of capitalism and socialism. They didn't change the name because the party developed/developing China and they want the party have the credit for it.

        China have one party system so both liberal, conservative, progressive, communists people of all ideologies are all in single party. Maybe they could do that in a party with a ideological name because they have only one party if they ruin things they will not find any opposition to blame like what happens in most other countries so they needed to be pragmatic to keep being in power.

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          Lenin said a sentence when explaining why he adopted the New Economic Policy, which impressed me a lot. "Business is not entirely the evil of capitalism. It also plays an irreplaceable role in the construction of the socialist economy. We cannot go beyond the development of the commodity economy today."

          This is the same as China. We have a saying, "Poverty is not socialism." Only a socialist country can liberate productive forces more than a capitalist country, and it can survive. This means that we have to use capital to a certain extent. This is not an abandonment of socialism, you can simply think of it as a rapid capitalist phase in a way that the party can control.

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    Go fuck yourself.

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    This does not exist.

    The Chinese government does not want a war because it would disrupt the Belt and Road. China opposes aggression, but will not support NATO either.

    China has been invaded many times in history, Russia has taken a lot of land in northern China, so China will sympathize with Ukraine. The West wants China to disintegrate like the Soviet Union, so China will also sympathize with Russia.

    China hopes that the two sides will return to the negotiating table, so that it is good for Russia, Ukraine, China, and the EU, and the Belt and Road can continue.

    Most people don't know Chinese. They don't even know how much the Chinese like Trump.

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      Really? "We sympathize with both sides"? That's the best you can do?

      How will you feel if today the Americans declare "We sympathize with both sides" with regards to the Opium Wars?

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    I guess chinese propaganda goes much deeper. Unlike China russians've had free internet for quite a long time and not so long ago. And it is still relatively free compared to China I believe

    Another reason is that China probably just has bigger army of bots that invades anything. While russian propagandas probably couldn't care less about a small niche site without regular politic discussions like codeforces

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    I read all comments here and most chinese here against the war. So clearly your opinion doesn't hold right. Seeing your past comments you're one of those people who like to blame everything on china on every occasion.

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      Obviously not every Chinese communist is defending Putin. But anyone can scroll up and click the relevant blogs and see that other than a couple of Russians most of Putin's defenders are Chinese communists. It is a simple, verifiable fact.

      one two three

      And a claim that on Chinese Mainland social media there is overwhelming support for Putin:

      four

      Are you willing to condemn Putin for his nonsensical and violent invasion, which is solely the fault of Putin alone, and not of Ukraine, and especially not because of some bullshit like "western aggression" or "NATO"? If not, don't bother to reply.

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        Three even didn't say any support for war and clearly called for peace. What is the evidence for Four ? Trust me bro? or some youtuber among countless other making livelihood out of anti china propaganda. Media propagandized anti china rhetoric at a level that people trust anything negative about China. There's one I found among mainstream that I recommend watching.

        Do you think you get all the information properly and the source you trust always provides true news? I don't support war, It doesn't mean I support your view. I try to listen every side as all most every side spreads propaganda. I don't have interest in taking about this topic anymore so I will leave a tweet/video link (Only 8s long so please watch). Hope it helps.

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          Perhaps you missed this:

          Are you willing to condemn Putin for his nonsensical and violent invasion, which is solely the fault of Putin alone, and not of Ukraine, and especially not because of some bullshit like "western aggression" or "NATO"? If not, don't bother to reply.

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            Interesting! Are you recruiting cult members?

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              Thanks for proving my point!

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                Are u willing the USA and NATO for Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan? If no, then you are just a hypocritical kid.

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                  Yes.

                  Now that your weak whataboutism is out of the way, will you condemn Putin?

                  Or are you just going to prove my point again?

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                  When a person have no idea to refute the view of the opposite ones in a debate, he'll use a rude way to interrupt the discussion like "thanks for proving my idea" or "If you don't have the same idea as mine, plz don't fucking saying anything under my post".

                  maybe it's interesting?

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                  What's interesting is your refusal to condemn Putin!

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                  Anyway how can you gain the information that "I refuse to condemn Putin"? Wow! Pretty a nice DETECTIVE!

                  However, I DO condemn Putin, and I DO condemn everyone who result in this war, it's clear that the one to blame is NOT ONLY Putin

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                  NOT ONLY Putin

                  Sorry. That means you're a warmonger.

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                  Interesting view again!

                  Plz answer my question first:

                  How can you gain the information that "I refuse to condemn Putin"?

                  And here I have another problem:

                  How do you come to the conclution to my words"NOT ONLY Putin".

                  Anyway PLZ DON'T use part of my sentence to attack my view, that's really like out of contexts

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                  How do you come to the conclution to my words"NOT ONLY Putin".

                  I DO condemn everyone who result in this war, it's clear that the one to blame is NOT ONLY Putin

                  You have said it yourself. If you wish to keep lying I will no longer respond.

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                  Alright, is it your new trick yo avoid my questions? I have no idea about how you can come to the conclution just accroding to my condemn to not only Putin but somebody else even if that's out of my mind......I'm just stating my view that everyone who result in the war should've been to blame......

                  Or...May I understand your tricks in another way: You have NO idea to MAKE UP FOR the logical error in your view?

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                  I have no idea about how you can come to the conclution just accroding to my condemn to not only Putin but somebody else

                  So what you ask is... "how do you know I condemned someone other than Putin"

                  And originally you said...

                  I DO condemn everyone who result in this war, it's clear that the one to blame is NOT ONLY Putin

                  Really?

                  Ok. If I am wrong and you have condemned ONLY Putin, then say it, and condemn ONLY Putin, instead of this vague weasel wording.

                  I will not respond any more because it is immediately obvious to anyone with 2 grams of brain that you are a liar.

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                  You should take the matter on its merits. In your opinion,when the Britain and the France scramble for colonies in the America in the 1700s,only one of them is wrong!In all wars,only one side is evil.What a joke!

                  Putin and Ukraine should be condemned.Don't disguise replacement of concept.

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                  It's VERY FUNNY that you use a lot of DIRTY WORDS in the debate, that means you're a weaker in the debate and trying to use verbal aggression to attack the opposite instead of finding out the logical error in your rival's view.

                  And I'd like to reclaim my words:

                  I DO condemn everyone who result in this war, it's clear that the one to blame is NOT ONLY Putin.

                  And reclaim my first two questions:

                  Q1: How can you gain the information that "I refuse to condemn Putin"?

                  Q2: How do you come to the conclution according to my words"NOT ONLY Putin".(Pay attention to the difference, I add according to make myself more clear)

                  So Here another problem comes!

                  Ok. If I am wrong and you have condemned ONLY Putin, then say it, and condemn ONLY Putin, instead of this vague weasel wording.

                  Is that means you think ONLY Putin is the one to blame? If true, Why?

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                  Holy lol... Do you really think "both sides are wrong" when europeans were stomping all the natives in the Americas in 1700s...

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                  Don't play word game.What I mean is that in some cases both sides of the war have the evil desire,like some imperialist wars.

                  There's also some wars which one side is right,like the War of Resistance Against Japanese Aggression.

                  In today's war,Putin should take milder measures,but the Ukraine should not join NATO.NATO expansion will only aggravate tension.

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                  Haha! That's EXACTLY what I'm waiting for! You've used a wrong example to attack my view.

                  Let's tell the difference between the two things. Plz allow me to start with your example.

                  It's true that europeans have made some bad things in 1700s, they totally distoryed the lifes of the natives. And the things they've done are invasions.

                  Go back to the war between Russia & Ukraine. If you've paid enough attention on this event, you'll find that Russia has warned a lot of times and made a lot concessions.

                  Using a wrong example to attack my view only tells us that you DO NOT EVEN KNOW the cause of this war.

                  BTW, answer my first two questions plz, they're whating for the answers for a long time! And I'm also confused......

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                  Your political views are completely following your government. It's hard to imagine how brainwashed you are by the state！

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                  Correct. There are some wars in which one side is right. And right now it is the case that Ukraine is the one side in the right.

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                  I don't think a country that advertises Nazis would be right unless you think the same as him.

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                  Many ukrainian people are innocent and pitiful,but their government must be wrong.

                  Obviously,they are used by Western reactionaries,trying to join NATO.Ukrainian government never concern about normal people's safety.

                  Ukraine make the biggest mistake.NATO can't bring peace. And you are snake in the garden of Eden,distorting the fact.Both sides make mistakes. You may be brainwashed by your government.

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                  Can I ask what do you mean by Ukraine advertises Nazi? You mean that they advertises Nazi while their president is jews? That's sounds crazy to me.

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                  Yes, I think you can read on the internet about the crazy things their people have done.I think Nazis don't necessarily kill Jews, and the president doesn't represent the whole country!

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                  I think you are reading too much propaganda. Do you really believe that Russia care more about stopping nazism in Ukraine than the president of Ukraine that's Jews?

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                  I don't know about advertising Nazism but they have Neo Nazi Azov_Battalion incorporated into the National Guard of Ukraine. They also voted against the UN resolution of combating glorification of nazism. Only two country voted against US and Ukraine.

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                  I mean the resolution was very controversial, it is proposed by Russia when Ukraine is constantly being in threat by Russia. It says nothing about their stance, even most of EU abstained from voting.

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                  Whether or not his purpose was that, at least they fought the Nazis.

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                  and you are justifying the war now because russian once fought the nazis??

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                  Ukraine is threatened, they brought it on themselves.

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                  from doing what? you are making a lot of statement while not being clear about anything. I think I am wasting my time here, so I won't reply anymore unless you are being more clear about what you are saying.

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                  Do you means Russia have to wait, like what UK and French have done with Nazi in WWⅡ?

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                  I know very well, but I see you are completely brainwashed by your own government

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                  You should know some more information and then come back to the Internet to express your opinion.

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    1. The Chinese people did not support the aggression. The statement of the Ministry of foreign affairs and China's statement at the United Nations clearly show respect for the sovereignty, integrity and territorial integrity of Ukraine. But because of the previous actions of the Ukrainian government, we don't like the Ukrainian government.
    2. China does have many Communists. More than 90 million people vowed to "fight for the cause of communism for life" and many teenagers vowed to "Ready to fight for the cause of communism for life", but the Communist Movement suffered a great setback. China's backward productive forces in the last century, cannot develop communism. Even today, China's remote areas are still very different from developed areas. So it's impossible to build communism quickly. But we firmly believe that one day it will come true.
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    Let me tell you the mainstream voices on Chinese social platforms.

    Many people (including highly educated and top competitive programmers) believe that Ukraine's attempt to join NATO is the main reason for the war, and Putin has no other way but to start it. So the Ukrainian government and even the Ukrainians should be mainly responsible for the war. They don't think it's aggression, so they can claim to be against aggression.

    If you try to express sympathy for the Ukrainian people or against the war on any Chinese social platform, you will get tons of abuse. Sympathy for Ukrainians means you are a bi*ch with flooded sympathy; against war means you are a spy from US.

    But don't blame anyone too much for this. Saying what the majority say and thinking what the majority think, is a great way to maintain self-identity and security.

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    I'm really curious if you took anyone's money?

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I just want to emphasis one thing:

Here is CodeForces,home to programming enthusiasts,

NOT Twitter,NOT Facebook

not Ukraine,not Russia,not People's republic of China

not America,not A place to talk about politics

Stop it.

By the way,No matter which country or race, please don't attack civilians and don't let civilians get hurt！

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Agree that some things have to be discussed somewhere, but it doesn't have to be discussed EVERYWHRE!!! If you want to discuss on this, go to facebook or twitter, because I don't think it's a political place here.

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Really hope this comes to an end! War can never be a solution.

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From this post:

I am astonished by

  • how the Russians here opposite the diplomacy of Russian,
  • how the rest people of the world except China and Russian here support the diplomacy of the USA and
  • how firmly people from any place except RU and CN believe they are not effected by any propaganda.

It's not hard for me to understand

  • any people disapproves wars as a human,
  • people blame the goverment of their own country for internal affairs except diplomacy,
  • Chineses support China's diplomacy because China is their own country,
  • Americans support the USA's diplomacy because they are Americans.

Is there any people thinks like me? Am I too strange? Plz help.

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    Same, I really don't understand how russians still aren't immune to Anglo-Saxon propaganda machines. Like,how would America react if russia was to create military bases in canada and mexico tomorrow?

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      If you want to know how America would react if Russia was to create military bases in Canada and Mexico tomorrow, you can read materials about Cuban Missile Crisis, which nearly causes nuclear war.

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    There are people like you, apparently 1.4 billion of them all thinking and saying exactly the same thing as their government. I thought of China more, especially given how many amazing programmers you have, but when 99% of you talk exactly the same thing it is really concerning.

    "how the rest people of the world except China and Russian here support the diplomacy of the USA"

    I don't support either USA or Putin, imagine that. My country was bombed by NATO actually, if I had to choose, I would probably consider Russia as a lesser evil, but still evil.

    "Chinese support China's diplomacy because China is their own country, Americans support the USA's diplomacy because they are Americans." No, most of the people don't mirror their government, for God's sake. Some get to choose their representatives but that doesn't mean they can't dislike them. In the west we (I'm Eastern European, but that's obviously west for China), government is expected to serve the people not vice-versa.

    "how firmly people from any place except RU and CHN believe they are not effected by any propaganda." Only an idiot believes he's not affected by any propaganda or that everything that they don't like is propaganda, or everything they do like isn't. But if you have the very same opinion on every single subject as every neighbour of yours, than it seems your country is more affected than mine where you'll hear at least 5 different opinions in every 20 people on this topic.

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      Thank you for your answers. I am very happy that no one is arguing against me and laughting at me here.

      • Being inspried, I notice this new problem. So, is there a solution for it? What's the price for helping solving this problem for an individual citizen from this kind of countries, for example, as you are talking about, CHN?
      • If we think as Russians, and unfortunately the war has begun. What ever how awful Putin is, I still think either NATO or the force of USA in the border of my country is a bigger threat. Russia could be won or lost. If the former one happens, it seems Ukraine would be less likely to be a member of NATO. Otherwise, it is more probably for NATO adopt Ukraine. But it seems rare Russians stands with Russia with reasons here.

      Logical errors and misunderstandings may be found in my words, plz point it out.

      Thanks again.

      I think it's possible my words sick some people. So that they argued against me. But I am not intended to do that. If you are uncomfortable, plz point out concretely. Nothing could be better if you taught me how to express it correctly.

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    In democratic country with freedom of speech, it is not that people should support their country's diplomacy, but their country's diplomacy is decided by the people and also, the opposite voices are allow to exist.

    How firmly people from any place except RU and CN believe they are not effected by any propaganda.

    If you know about some pro-CCP Chinese, you will find they firmly believe that not only they are not affected by any propaganda, but also the whole west contains only one voice against China and every people outside of the Great Fire Wall are affected by such propaganda.

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first pandamic...then unnecessary war...destruction continious..:(

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  • USA and NATO starts wars in Vietnam, Iraq, Syria, ...
  • America is good!

  • Russia invades Ukraine

  • Russia is evil!

Double standards! I don't support the war but you must learn that the real threat to the world is USA. You Western people didn't mind when USA started their wars because you are slaves of USA. That wars didn't affect you and you stayed silent.

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    Nope, the real threat is not USA Xor Russia. They are both real threats and this kind of divisive thinking is disgusting.

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    You Western people didn't mind when USA started their wars because you are slaves of USA. That wars didn't affect you and you stayed silent.

    Your claim is false. Many western people protested against war when US and UK invaded Iraq. Especially Franch and Germany strongly opposed this war.

    To this day, majority of US people think it was wrong to invade Iraq. Few western people stay silent to those bad things US did.

    The way to make human civilization keep progress is to admit mistakes, reflect and repent. If we use Whataboutism to avoid accusations on the bad things we are doing, then the bad things will happen again and again, and the world will never become better.

    If you told me in 2000s that the real threat to the world is USA, I would agree with you. But now, as Russia is the superpower to invade other country, Putin has proved that he is the real threat to the world in 2022.

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But why did some people (even some of those good at CP) attack some irrelevant countries maliciously?

Can't understand.

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Do you need translation this_news? Most likely no. I don't think that it's a fake.

My family always called Bandera as a Nazi. There are marches in his honor in Ukraine our time. For my grandfather and my grandmother who were born and lived all their lives in Ukraine this is an incredible shame. And for me too.

You can also read information about russian language in Ukraine. It's ******* joke by government for big part of ukrainians.

Perhaps these arguments were significant for the majority of residents of Donetsk and Lugansk in 2014. And then they were all declared as a terrorists by new Ukranian government. From that moment the war began. Incredible pain for all who really care about the lives of our brothers in Ukraine on both sides of the conflict.

Strange, but when Donetsk was bombed in 2014 and later, there were no such posts. Perhaps all this is not true or we simply did not notice such posts. I would really like to know the truth from the residents who endured all this. In the meantime, for myself, I decided that I have no moral right to say who is right in the conflict in Ukraine.

I don't believe Russian propaganda. But even so, I do not believe that Putin is Hitler or that he wants to take over Ukraine.

Remember, please, that when you do not critically approach information, you are no better than people who shout: "For Russia against Kiev!"

Not to notice what was happening in the east of Ukraine, and now to say who is right in the conflict in Ukraine is wrong and hypocritical in my opinion.

I am against Ukrainians shooting at Russians and against Russians shooting at Ukrainians! We are brothers and it shouldn't be like that. Peace and independence to Ukraine!

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    and now to say who is right in the conflict in Ukraine is wrong and hypocritical in my opinion

    There is no ambiguity in the situation. If Russia lays down their weapons, there is no war. If Ukraine lays down their weapons, there is no Ukraine.

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      You missed the first part of my sentence. The war in Donbass has been going on for 8 years. And a lot of people have died.

      I would not like to discuss this topic. With my post I just want to say, that who is the right is not so explicit.

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      If the USA lays down their weapons in Iraq, there is no war. If Iraq lays down their weapons, there is no Iraq. Ooops...

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    You don't believe Russian propaganda but you just made a combo of russian propaganda statements.

    Let's look at about russian language in Ukraine. Do you know which law was cancelled in 2014? Do you know what it was about? Do you know for how many years it worked? Do you know why it was criticized? I'm ready to bet that you know almost nothing of that. Возможно ты где-то услышал, что в Украине тогда запретили русский язык, а я тебе русским языком сейчас заявляю, что это просто полная хрень.

    Same about Donetsk and Luhansk. Do you know when and how russian armed band of Girkin-Strelkov with automatic rifles captured cities Slavyansk and Kramatorsk? It was April 12 2014. Do you know when Anti-Terrorist Operation was started? It was April 14 2014. If you knew that, you would never write something like "And then they were all declared as a terrorists by new Ukranian government". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGLr8-6Dpxs Did you ever see this video? If no, please take a look and tell me now if you think that declaring an Anti-Terrorist Operation is unreasonable in such situation.

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      According to research by international institutions (Gallup, for example, or research with Google Trends), 80-90% of the population of Ukraine prefer Russian. How many percent of universities you can study in the language preferred by the majority of the population? No one! In how many cinemas can you watch movies in Russian?

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        First, your numbers are not correct at all. People who know Russian — maybe quite 90%. But the native language, the language used, the preferred language, and so on — it won't even come close if you google it.

        Secondly. The influence of Russian culture and the Russian language is enormous. Russian television, series and films, books, textbooks and magazines, RuNet and Russian social networks, Russian music and bloggers, Russian localization of computer games, etc. — all this is naturally very common here and has a strong influence. This has been the case for the last 30 years, and naturally it was during the Soviet era. But does this mean that we do not have the right to protect our native identical language, to give it prefecture in certain areas? Or are we obliged to forget it and lose this part of our own identity, as it has already happened in Belarus?

        Thirdly, after 2014, our efforts to protect our native language have increased significantly. Do you know why? Because the Russian government then occupied our territories under the pretext of "protecting the Russian-speakers." And even now Putler is bombing Russian-speaking(!) cities under the same moronic pretext. But it turns out that the pattern is simple — the fewer Ukrainians consider themselves Russian-speaking somewhere, the less chance there will be Russian tanks and war tomorrow, and other charms of brotherly love.

        Well, fourthly. Do you know what was the percentage of Ukrainian language schools in Crimea before the annexation? About one percent! A similar situation was in the Donbass. The reality was that Russian-sponsored local authorities were purposefully working to eradicate the Ukrainian language in Ukraine, and this was done to increase Russian influence in Ukraine.

        At the same time, if you were in the southeast in Ukrainian villages and small towns that are not as culturally influenced as big cities, you would see a huge number of Ukrainian-speaking people there, especially among older people. Because it is really the native language not only of the west of Ukraine, but of these territories as well.

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          People who know Russian — maybe quite 90%. But the native language, the language used, the preferred language, and so on — it won't even come close if you google it.

          Do you know what was the percentage of Ukrainian language schools in Crimea before the annexation? About one percent! A similar situation was in the Donbass.

          It's very funny that you don't see any contradiction in your propaganda.

          I think I'm done, it's really boring. Life puts everything in its place perfectly. Take care!

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            Sorry, I absolutely don't understand how percentage of Ukrainian language schools in specific region is connected to the statistic of preferred/native language in the whole Ukraine, when statistic is obviously not uniform across regions.

            We are friends with math on this website, right? The minimum value of a set is less than the average. Where is a contradiction? :)

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              Just a hint:

              Think about people from Crimea and Donbass in this phrase:

              But does this mean that we do not have the right to protect our native identical language, to give it prefecture in certain areas? Or are we obliged to forget it and lose this part of our own identity

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                This hint has nothing to do with your previous phrase, but if you don't want to accept your mistakes... ok.

                Well, the new statement has kinda more sense. But it's already answered in 2nd and 4th points of my message. You just miss completely the main point that Russian language in Ukraine is everywhere and don't need any protection. Idk why you pick specific words or items (like cinemas, lol) and try to justify... what? russian aggression? territories annexation? propaganda statement "Russian language banned in Ukraine?"

                I think I'm done on this topic too. Thanks. Good luck and have fun.

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I am Chinese.I had read everyone's comments.We come from different countries and have different values and ideologies, so we may have different views on some issues. But none of this matters. Let policymakers debate these things. All I know is that none of us want to see war. There is no winner in the war, and all suffering must be borne by the people of every country. I just want to see a world without gunsmoke. Peace is everything.

Best wishes to the people who suffered in the war！

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    Totally agree!

    Debating on a CP Platform can't change anything but only pollutes such a clear environment.

    Someone says ordinary people are forced away from caring about politices leads to dictation but codeforces is never a place to show off those advanced political words but for communicating/designing great algorithms.

    Hope less Ukrainian are hurt and no users on Codeforces lost their oppertunity to participate later contests

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      Such discussions could affect someones opinions and some of us could become politicians who's opinions could have originated right here in this thread.

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In fact, I don't think the discussion here is useful. Everyone comes from a different country, grows up in a different environment, experiences different things, and receives different propaganda and education, so everyone has different values and ideologies. There is no absolute difference between good and evil in the world, only different views of things for each person. So it is not fruitful or meaningful for those of us with different values to quarrel over such issues, because in the end no one will be able to convince anyone.

And, will the quarrel here have any effect? Can it change the situation of the war? Can it get any help to the people in the war? We don't have that much power to stop a war. We work or study hard, enjoy CP, and that's enough, isn't it?

But anyway, best wishes to the people who suffered in the war!

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    OK So we can discuss Anime content of sus but can not discuss the real life problem real people facing out there. Thanks

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      I don't even think these can be called "discussions". These're just meaningless arguments which will end up with no results. Nobody will accept someone else's ideas in the arguments.

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STOP TALKING ABOUT POLITICS AND PRAY FOR PEACE RIGHT NOW, OKAYYYY?

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I read through all of the comments and, although many opinions exist, all I learnt is that politics is crap. Everyone is stating different stuff. No one can convince others. There's a war going on. People are in danger, while politicians continue to spread their stuff. None of them cared for the civilians. A substitute option for this is to let all those politicians have a boxing fight. That way the politicians get to spread their hate while civilians stay safe.

May there will not be wars anymore. I wish for a peaceful world. As for politicians, they do what they like. I don't care a thing. Just leave normal people out of this, OK?

edit: I don't mean politics is useless as a subject of discussion. I say that meaningless discussions on politics where everyone is not listening to others(just like real-life politicians) is useless.

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    It doesn't work like that. If normal people ignore politics, then dictators come to power and start wars

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      Er, I agree. I don't mean that we ignore politics. That's not right. But shouting at each other like politicians on a CP website is not great either. If we continue to discuss on meaningless subjects we cannot get a thing. I'd rather solve a problem.

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        It looks like you want a magical solution. I want it too, but we will not get it. If you want to somehow help to solve the problem, you need to do some work to figure out what is going on. It can include reading some heated discussions where people are calling each other names. And of course, people are shouting when their cities are under bombing, and here someone is saying that it isn't happening or that they deserved it.

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          You have a point. Maybe I'm simply not used to this kind of discussion and not a pro on politics; but this kind of discussion really looks foul on Codeforces. If this is twitter, I might be happy to look through all of the opinions.

          p.s. A little error in the first comment; edited now.

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Are you proud of living in a country that invades a neutral neighbour?

I am ashamed.

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I'm not very informed, but is Ukraine neutral? Do you really think it's neutral?

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    I am also not very well informed, is Peru neutral?

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      Peru is and will be irrelevant in world geopolitics ...

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I don't understand why aren't other countries doing anything about this?

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    They are going to impose sanctions. Putin has a nuclear weapon, which can destroy the planet. He is also an insane murderer. Nobody can be sure that he will not use it.

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      Is it dangerous to openly write things like this from Moscow in a public forum?

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        I think that it is not really dangerous. It's not likely that the police read codeforces. Some people were prosecuted in Russia for the insult of the president, but not so many. People discuss these cases and constantly repeat these insults, it doesn't look good for the president. It's similar to the Streisand effect.

        But in Russia you can never be sure.

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Does anyone have any idea that what will happen to codeforces?

After the world wide sanctions got deployed on russia there will be no way for codeforces to pay legally for international problem setters and no way for finding international sponsors for contests and so on. Is it possible for codeforces to quit from Russia's rule?

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    I think Russia has a pretty big(3rd largest) Forex Reserve, the sanctions(put as far) won't affect in next five years.

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      I'm not talking about Russia, I'm talking about codeforces and its international activities.

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Russian militarism accuses Ukrainian fascists of being Nazis.

Various European and American appeasement politicians looked on it with indifference.

Some netizens jokes that weak countries don't have enough military and deserve to be beaten.

Soilders are bleeding.

People are suffering.

This is blood, steel, cruelty, oppression and death,and we need peace.

We need peace!!

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Some disgusting comments here. I didn't expect these kinds of irrational and obnoxious thoughts from certain people I used to look up to.

I am ashamed by the acts of the dictator of my own country trying to support Putin. The people of my country and I strongly stand with Ukraine. Please stay safe, dear Ukrainians, all my hopes are with you.

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I'm russian, majority of my 60 y.o+ relatives believe that Putin is our defeder, they think that NATO is the main agressor and Ukraine is the nazi country(Yes, they love Vladimir Solovyev, if you know what I mean). Young people aren't so crazy.

A lot of people are apolitic, it's sad. Our civil society sank into apathy after failures and police violence, our opposition leader is in prison. Our people used to the madness that happens all the time.

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I can't believe this is happening in the 21st century. It's really sad to see this happen, and my hearts go out to those who are affected. War is not the way to resolve conflicts. Stay strong and positive out there.

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NATO & UN are a big joke.

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Ukraine wanna join a military alliance to beat Russia. Ukraine doesn't want peace. Russia be like you wanna play war game? let's play babe right away

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    That is not truth. There were no plans of NATO to include Ukraine in next 10-20 years. Ukraine wanted to NATO, but it was more like a political declaration after 2014 and wishful thinking, nothing concrete. The real reason why Putin attackes Ukraine is, ukrainian people decided for EU and against Russia in 2014. So he lost Ukraine politically and started a military offensive. Ukrainian people saw how good the EU-membership did for Poland, Rumanian and other neighbours. They want this way for them too. Putin took it personally. He is a traumatized man. He was a soviet officer in DDR — but DDR disappeared. He served further in KGB in USSR — and USSR has crashed. Everything he touches gets ruined. Now he wants to install his system in Ukraine. Like in Belarus, where you are not allowed to protest and demonstrate. Russian soldiers think they are freeing Ukraine from nazis. They can no more differentiate reality from propaganda. And I doubt if Putin can.

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      Everybody knows that that's a lie, but they will keep repeating this lie wich they are continuously being fed by their government propaganda

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      Unfortunately, Europeans know that the Ukraine's government supports neo-natism in the country (look at this for example). And the worst thing in all this is that Ukrainians who refuse to participate in a senseless confrontation are dying at their hands.

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My brother is studying medical in Ukraine. My family is so much worried about the situation there. My brother is not able to leave the country as he is very much confused whether to leave the country or not, as the university is not willing to let the students go. I really don't understand why the Russian president is doing all this. Even if he succeeds in the invasion, what after that??? Will his own people be happy about what he has done??? Killing many lives for a mere land. I don't understand how he is still in power. The Russian people together should do something about him.

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    It's a terrible situation. Which city is it? I wonder, how university can not let foreign students go in this situation. Ukrainian students may be conscript, they are actually not allowed to travel now. But it may be tricky for a foreigner to get to the EU-border, even if he speaks ukrainian (or russian), maybe just to stay is a better option (depending on situation in the region).

    I don't understand how he is still in power. The Russian people together should do something about him.

    Don't forget, the users here are pre-selected, not representative. Due to propaganda, Putin still has support especially among older generation of Russians and among low-educated sectors of population. Generally, so sad to say it, many russians (even best democrats, intellectuals and liberals) are still imperialistic-biased in questions concerning Ukraine. Ok, they of course know the fact, that Ukraine is a sovereign state. But they don't believe it, don't grok it, don't internalize what it means. Sovereignty of states is not just boolean "true" for them, it's a double type. Russia is to 100% sovereign, and Ukraine maybe 60% or 40%, they guess. If Ukrainians want to join EU, they should first ask Putin for allowance, they guess. By all that you will hardly find a russian guy, which would seriously say he is against Ukraine. Nobody there is against Ukraine, everybody loves Ukraine, but "we should just firstly free it from nazis". They end up trying to free Ukraine from Ukrainians — Poland counts already 100.000 refugees right now. The centuries of imperialistic mentality still have impact, but I hope, it will be better after some time.

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Saw this twitter ! Ukraine's president got balls of steel

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Covid-19 & Russia-Ukraine conflict has proven that Both WHO & UNO are Extremely powerful Only in Text Books.

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What Russia Wants From Its Invasion of Ukraine — and Why Zelensky Is Evil

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    Did you take the title of this post to mean "Russian propaganda repository"?

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      I don’t understand you. That is exactly the title of the video.

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        What he is actually meaning... The title of this post (thread) is "Russian propaganda". Then, he classifies the video you have posted also as russian propaganda. And asks you, whether you have interpreted the name of the thread literally. :)

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          Why is it Russian propaganda? Because he tells things opposite to the common narrative? He is a simple businessman who came from USA to Ukraine many years ago.

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            I have no idea if it is, I just explained what was meant by eugalt. As for me, I could not view it till the end. He repeats everything somehow twice or 3x, making it boring and time-wasting. Clearly, there is that tactic and another tactics in the war. If my blitzkrieg has failed, I just say, it's not a bug, it's a feature, the plan has always been to circle cities and wait. Does it make it better? It can run into something like Leningrad blockade. With medial attention, videos of civilists dying by hunger, making Russia's image even more damaged than it already is.

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As an American, all I can say is that I don't know anybody who wants to invade Russia. Not just friends and people I know, but public people, politicians, even anything I read about extremist types.

Nobody discusses "let's attack Russia and take their oil/land/anything" or "let's attack Russia and make them democratic again", not normal people, not politicians. Nobody cares.

I don't know why the Russian leadership is so afraid that we (with NATO) will somehow attack them. So sorry for Ukraine to suffer because of this. Best wishes.

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    I don't want to delve into it here too much, but the Russian leadership is not afraid that NATO will literally attack them. It's about old imperial ambitions and "spheres of influence".

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      Yes, NATO is not ready to confront so it cowardly framed Ukraine under attack.

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I am also a Chinese,and I am against the war.But I still want to ask how you think about the NATO expansion,which leads to the War.

I think the NATO is a military organization which aims at harming countries like Russia.

I don't mean the Russia should reply by military action,which may hurt many innocent people.I think they have better solutions.

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    That's nonsense. Eastern europe countries has been suffering from Russia for decades. That's the right of them to join NATO to protect themselves.

    Will Ukraine join NATO so baddly without the invasion of Crimea?

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      Since the NATO established,it have been working for the USA's war machinery.

      Harry S. Truman set up it to fight against the Russia.

      I don't think the NATO is a good way to save the countries,it just provide a good chance for USA to control the European countries and support the Cold War.

      Joining a military organization will bring peace?What a joke! It just aggravate tension!

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        Your orignal post is Nato aims at "harming Russia". How subjective?

        Just answer some simple questions: How could it possible that the second strongest military country be harmed? Is US the one who force them to join NATO? How can these small countries who be threatened and be invaded protect themselves without being united?

        I agree with you that NATO is against Russia, especially in Cold War time. But I have to emphasize: 1. According to the history of USSR and modern Russia, joining NATO is at least understandable. This war will spur Finland and Sweden on join NATO as well. 2. The president of Ukraine is elected by their people. That's the choice made by the people.

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          How could it possible that the second strongest military country be harmed?

          Go back and take the course in international relations.

          How can these small countries who be threatened and be invaded protect themselves without being united?

          There are ways for a small country to protect themselves rather than "being united",especially joining NATO at this time.Go back and take the course in international relations.

          The president of Ukraine is elected by their people. That's the choice made by the people.

          That is why tragedy happened.The "classic" Western-style democracy leads to the destruction of small countries like Ukraine.The stupid people chose the stupid president(the general public is always stupid),and their president chose the path to ruin. You should be glad that your country does not adopt such a democracy,or naive fools like your will destroy your own country sooner or later.

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            See your blank cp history and "-40" contribution. Bro, I saddly cringe at you.

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      How they were suffering? Sutuation was kinda reversed. Also there were a conversation to NATO not to go in Eastern Europe. This agreements were violated many times. Isnt this the danger to Russia?

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I don't wish harm for the innocent people but that's what exactly happened to Palestinian

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    Palestinians, Syrians, Iraqis, Yemenis, Afghans, Bosnians,.......

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      to me it is weird that a lot of people have made essentially this comment as a response to blogs about ukraine, but none of you made blogs about these countries when these wars started... or escalated. its as if you are only reminded of them to make a point about ukraine.

      also interesting is how it is always the same list, and it never includes armenia/azerbaijan, or myanmar, or any of the african conflicts... almost as if everyone took it from the same source

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        I agree that the conflicts on those countries should also be mentioned alongside the ones Ansam mentioned but this is not the main point, The sad truth is that the other situations didn't get world wide media attention like Ukraine, And when it does it can be against the people who are suffering like when USA pulled excuses out of nowhere to invade Iraq

        This doesn't take away from the fact that people should stand with the innocent people in Ukraine but why didn't we see the "world leaders" condemn what happened to Palestinians or the genocide in Burma for example

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Videos for Russians to watch

Information about captured and killed Russian soldiers in Ukraine

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    How ironic is that this comment is in the topic about propaganda. Or propaganda could be only russian? Anyway, i barely think that topic starter know about Russian-Ukraine relationships much, he just see TV reportage about angry Putin fighting versus innocent lambs.

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      The topic starter looks like a hype-rider :/ I agree that people need some platform to talk about these terrible events and support each other but what I have seen in his post is just a provocation.

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do people there (you, your friends, and your families) really believe in all the things that Putin says about Ukraine?

Unfortunately, there are a lot of people, who really believe everything that they say on TV. Fortunately, there are a lot of people, who understand the situation and they feel ashamed for their country.

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Russian President has now ordered Russia's nuclear deterrent forces on alert in response to Western sanctions and rising tensions over Putin's invasion on Ukraine.

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    Source?

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      I saw it on german TV — Putin, Shoigu and another one. It should be everywhere. Ukraine now agree for negotiations on the ukrainian-belarus border.

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        Why are they doing it? Nobody is contemplating direct fighting with Russians. Are they preparing for a military action against NATO?

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          I'm afraid that Putin may be inspired by this particular part of the WW2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo2Rb9h788s&t=770s

          If it's too hard to win via conventional warfare, then nuclear bombing of Kyiv may force capitulation. Pro-war Russians will justify this atrocity by just saying that the Americans did this in the past, so it's fine for Russia to do the same (we have already seen this kind of reasoning around here). I know that this sounds like an absurd theoretical scenario, but Ukraine getting invaded by Russia was also an absurd theoretical scenario just a few days ago...

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            This threat is addressed more to the west (and east europe EU) countries which now help Ukraine with weapons. And that is no more ukrainian problem, because NATO will answer, and we will probably all die in a nuclear winter. Putin would never be able to explain Russians a nuclear strike on Ukraine (let alone Kiev with it's sacred significance as "mother of all russian cities"). Because of 2 reasons: 1) russian army is considered to be so much stronger, why nukes? 2) most of Russians don't even know about those hard battles around Kiev and Charkiv, destroyed civilian objects and civilian victims. Because there is no success worth to be reported, russian TV just says, that nothing is going on. They just "circle and wait", and locals throw flowers to them, aha.

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            It is not true that Russian invasion of Ukraine was unexpected. Western intelligence knew about plans and preparations well in advance, and the US President was publicly sharing this information.

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I found this topic very valuable because it is not impossible but difficult to broad propaganda here (as it's hard to imagine that somebody creates an account with 10+ decent participations on contests just for propaganda). There're a lot of frank and valuable opinions which help me understand the issue from various perspectives.

I sincerely thank Codeforces and its community.

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    It was a very wise decision to allow this thread. Otherwise there would have been strong resentment among a large portion of the community.

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    I don't think you will see that many different opinion because of current level of censorship that exists on BigTech. Because if you say something that is not mainstream approved you may be fired from job or miss job opportunity. I use alt because I don't wanna miss out on FAANG job for saying some random political things that I am not expert in and most probably will not have any impact on the world. I may change opinion on certain things after knowing better in the future but current censorship level will not care about it. So it is possible that only people who have mainstream opinion will comment and others will not. Which may further reenforce the bubble almost all of us live in.

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      There is at least one Russian who openly rejects his government's narrative, and has even created a thread in his blog to campaign against their actions.

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Games played by a few but destroys a lot.

Hope for peace.

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Really suprise to see most people hate Putin!. most Vietnamese love Putin and I think Russian does, too. Maybe Russian programmers is a minority that dislike Putin :D

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Feeling really sad to see such kind of wars happened in the 21st century, including the war in the Middle East and recently, the war between Russia and Ukraine. May peace be with all the places in the world, and hope the wars will be end soon.

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Think About This

2-minute silence for those who think that USA/UK/ISRAEL or other highly militarized countries are peacekeepers.

Although I condemn the Russian invasion and pray for Ukraine, but everyone must think that why there is no support for middle eastern wars by uk/russia/us/france and all those countries who sells weapon for-profit and then called themselves so-called peacekeepers.

Selling weapons is a white form of terrorism in which u first initiates the war and then act as a peacekeeping nation , and in terms of casualties after ww2 I think the US plays the most dominant role by exploiting weak and unstabilized nations and forms NATO to maintain its image.

So fuck all those who are directly or indirectly causing the wars.

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say this to US government while they invaded Iran, Iraq, Syria...

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I must say right away that I am not Russian. Why are you (supposedly defenders) when Ukraine attacked Donetsk and Luhansk, you just kept silent? Why? Why were you also silent when the US attacked Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria? Why didn't you scream like that when there was a war with them? Why don't you call Trump, Obama and other US presidents — Hitler. Why do you mourn the people, if all these things are done by the government? Why do you discriminate against the Russian people? FIFA, UEFA excluded the Russian teams from all European competitions and the World Cup. Nike, Apple, BMW, breaking all contracts with Gazprom. You yourself say “You can’t discriminate against blacks, but you yourself insult Russians. If Russia attacked Ukraine first, this does not mean that Ukraine is right. Don’t you think that the DNR and LNR expected help from Russia? Please don't try to get upvotes with Ukraine support. WHY SUCH DOUBLE STANDARDS?

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    What makes you think that the Putin's story about real separatists from Donetsk and Luhansk is actually believable? See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

    The big lie (German: große Lüge) is a gross distortion or misrepresentation of the truth, used especially as a propaganda technique.[1][2] The German expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, to describe the use of a lie so colossal that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously."

    And I'm sure that you heard a different alternative explanation about what happened in Donetsk and Luhansk, right?

    Spoiler: an alternative explanation

    Please remember that Putin also initially denied the use of Russian military during Crimea annexation, but then admitted it later. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_green_men_(Russo-Ukrainian_War)

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I hope NATO realizes what happens when you keep poking someone in their eyes. And I hope they stop doing color revolutions.

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