Dear codechef
I have been one of your biggest fans and have seen you grow over the years. You were the reason I started doing competitive programming in school and you were the reason I got selected for the IOI camp (IOITC). I am your biggest fan and love your initiative of the IPC camp. It is implicitly obvious that the aim of the camp is to train the future IOI and ICPC WF participants for India. So, the people in the camp should be the ones who are most 'eligible and qualified' for them. I know it is very hard to quantify 'eligibility and qualifications' without an actual contest. But, is not it unfair that a person who got selected for the IOITC and still has one or two years left for IOI is not selected for the IPC camp while a few people who did not get selected for the IOITC made it to the IPC camp? I know of at least 3-4 people who made it to IOITC but were not selected for the IPC camp. I can also name 3 people who couldn't clear IOITC this year, have the same number of years left for high school and got selected. One of the guys who got selected for the IPC camp has been consistently failing to make it to IOITC for three years. I know that their are 'special' cases but the counter examples tell another story. I even know of an APIO medallist that got rejected. It just feels that instead of merit, some personal hidden agenda was used to select the students. I mean we just filled a google doc form to get selected. Codechef uses contests for every little thing and here, nothing. Anyways, I hope that codechef would learn from its mistakes and will take care not to make such 'blunders' in the future.
Your longtime well wisher A true fan
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I would be one of the people who failed to clear IOITC this time but got selected. I think maybe it was for my contribution, I am from Kolkata and have been consistently trying my best to spread the coding culture here(Places like Delhi have a really good culture but thats not the case here) and also I have been anonymously contributing. I am staying in India for both Undergraduate and graduate study. You also have to understand that there are a huge number of people who applied for it and out of all the school students only 10 had to be selected. Maybe the APIO medallist wanted to study abroad(?) or maybe something like that is the case for you. Probably, that's the reason; even I don't know how I got in but I can assure you there is no "hidden agenda"(Not anything that I know of).
Wtf!! You got selected?? And the reason is your contribution -_- How much CodeChef will degrade itself by not selecting the deserving ones and just random people who are not even specialist on CF? This may sound a bit harsh but do you really think you can handle FFT, DFT, Persistant data structures and all other advanced stuff taught there? This is quite the reason Indians are lagging behind in Competitive Programming! Had CodeChef given chance to a regular Candidate Master on CF who has 1 year left for participating in ICPC (yeah, that's me) and others like me who didn't got selected instead of just making fool of themselves, then the condition of Competitive Programming would have been much better in India.
Calm your fucking tits you regular Candidate Master (u wot m8) who has 1 year left for participating in ICPC and can handle FFT, DFT, Persistant data structures and all other advanced stuff taught there.
I think getting angry on such a stupid sounding decision is completely valid. Why bother asking for your profiles across different CP websites when all you are going to look at is some fucking contribution to make the selection? The stuff taught there is quite advanced so they should atleast look at the competency of the candidate when making a selection.
No one noticing the use of "maybe" :'(
Also i can probably guess your original profile from your cf comments. Maybe if you wouldn't have stopped participating in contests after getting to Div1 (and probably gained a higher rating), you could have been selected among the COLLEGE students. But you choose to not participate. Your fault buddy.
Maybe you need to work upon your basic understanding of English. Do you know the meaning of "REGULAR CANDIDATE MASTER"? It means, I regularly participate in CF contests and maintain my Div1 status. So your guess is awfully wrong.
I think you need to work on your english as well. Regular can also mean normal, so he could assume that you mean normal candidate master. So nothing wrong with that misinterpretation.
What do you mean? All I see on your profile is an unrated guy.
It's most likely a throwaway account.
I know.
he is so cute!
Thanks
im talking bout errichto not u
Rekt.
There is something really wrong with the selection list of Students selected under School category
Codechef generally allows some relaxation to school students for io (and that is obvious and valid too). However seems like this is (un-?)intentionally getting misused. Eg: A lot of profiles under school students on https://www.codechef.com/ipc/camp/2017 are students who have actually passed 12th standard and are no more eligible for representing in IOI. Still they are selected. Last year when i was at the camp, i saw something similar happening and its sad that they didn't fixed the criteria this time too.
Anyhow few tips to get selected in next ipc camp :P:
Get high codechef rating. It is clear they focus more on CODECHEF rating rather then any other platform. Eg: likecs who got selected last year and this year too.
Get to DIV 1 and STOP PARTICIPATING IN contests. Because if you try to, you might get back to div 2 and that will have negative impact. Eg: SarvagyaAgarwal Vicennial
Make a Gender Transformation if you are male. They have few reserved seats for Girls :D
I passed 12th standard this year, I don't think I should be put in the same bracket as college students before I have even attended college, do you? The next step in the process is ACM-ICPC, and I have a stronger grip on Algorithms than most students entering college with me. Isn't this valid?
I remember something similar was written on google forms: Choose the higher grade/year in case you are in between grades/years.
To explain it more, Look what "Shivam Bansal" and "Kushagra Juneja" choose in the form? I believe they also passed 12th standard this year. Do you notice the difference? To me, itlooks like that codechef did it so they could easily filter the students eligible for next ioi and icpc, and then select. However it seems this has been misused.
"I have a stronger grip on Algorithms than most students entering college with me" You sure do have, no denying in it. However the next stage would be ICPC. Please tell me why you should be preferred over someone who is in his 2nd year of college and has a lot better current rating than you, after all both of you are going to compete in the same contest next time.
I actually confirmed this with CodeChef, regarding "Choose the higher grade/year in case you are in between grades/years" when I was filling out the form. I wasn't sure if I was going to college or taking a gap year then, so I asked and it was decided that I put in 12th grade. In the end, I was not judged as an IOI aspirant, but an ICPC one. I'm pretty sure this goes for most people between school and college.
"Please tell me why you should be preferred over someone who is in his 2nd year of college and has a lot better current rating than you, after all both of you are going to compete in the same contest next time." — eh, not much I can say, because I can somewhat agree here. I think the main argument would be that I have 4 years to improve over a person with 2 or even 1 attempt remaining.
Lol i laughed at your comment. anup.kalbalia
They sleected some big coders like rhezo or teja or praran26 etc and between these coders they added shitty coders like likecs or sarvagya or many other fucked coders . Do they think that these coders who cant code even simple algos , after the camp they will code Dft?
I am sorry to intervene. But I personally feel likecs is much better than me.He is much better than me at solving hard questions which you can see from his ranks in long challenges in codechef. May be he is not too active as me on codeforces.I have learnt tips regarding advanced math from him(especially he is very good at fft).
I agree. You shouldn't judge someone from his CF rating. Maybe he doesn't take CF contests seriously. IMO, he is brilliant. He was very interactive at the camp and he's very good at math.
Let me state some dates first.
Contest where I became Div 1: Round 417, 01/June/17
Next D1 contest: Round 419, 17/June/17 (Did not participate)
IPC Camp announcement: 18/June/17
IPC Camp selections announced: 24/June/17
Next D1 contest: Round 421, 27/June/17 (Did not participate) (Moreover, it turned out to be
unrated).
Next D1 contest: Round 423, 11/July/17 (Participated)
Between the camp announcement and camp selections, there were literally 0 contests on cf.
I skipped 419 before the camp was even announced and skipped 421 after the selections were already over.
Now, Why didn't I participate in Round 419?
Yes,I was too scared to lose rating. I started college as well as CP last year in July and my target was to hit Division 1 before I started my second year and I finally did accomplish my goal.When I read Div1 A , I had 0 idea how to solve it and hence was too scared to submit anything.
Why didn't I participate in Round 421?
I was not selected for the camp initially. Around 30mins-1hour before the contest was scheduled to start, I got a call and an email saying that I was selected on the account of one of the original people not being to able to make it. I was too excited on hearing this news to participate. If you dont believe me, I can upload a pic of the date/time of the email and/or call.
Moreover, The applications considered max rating too. Me participating/not participating would have had minimal impact on the selection.
Man you are dumb as compared to others. Offence intended yes. You should realize how the shitty codr like you got selected.
If you're going to insult me, atleast state some reasons why you think I'm 'dumb as compared to others' and a 'shitty codr'.
Please leave me . I commented . Forget me. Because i have not much time for discussing this topic because camp is over.i am busy unlike you .
Yes , that is why he made a fake account to comment here. Very busy apparently.
Awwwwwwww!!!!!!!
Hi dear ,here? Lol
You must be tired by playing with your dick since round 395 . Thatswhy you never participated.
I dare you if you participate from your account in 4 next rated rounds and dont fall below 1850(yes thats your real limit) then i will comment my real account.
Accept it if you are finally free from playing with your dick
You don't even have the balls to use your real account.
I thought username and password is required to use account .
You need balls too. Strange
Did you benefit from the camp?
Yes.
After reading your analysis, the first thing that came to my mind is this image
:D I'd like to know how many places are reserved for girls.
Please note that the following is my opinion about the situation. This is more IOI-focused, but that's mostly because of my background.
Context: I started competitive programming about an year ago, and I prepared a lot for the INOI. I was in grade 12th, and this meant that this was my first and last chance of making it to IOI-TC. I fucked up pretty majorly on the INOI (Indian National Olympiad in Informatics, the qualifier to the IOITC), that's on me. But just because I couldn't clear one round of qualification, does that mean I should be absolutely barred from any other programming camp held?
To further my point even more, if you take a look at the IOI-TC rank-list (comprised of 21 people exactly), at the time of writing, my CF rating is greater than 12 people, not including those who don't have an account on CodeForces / haven't done a contest here). I regularly place in the top 5 amongst Indian school students over at CodeChef's contests. Using qualification to the IOITC as a metric is flawed, because it is one contest rather than consistent performance over a long period of time.
I'm not saying that people who make it to the IOI-TC aren't talented, they are, I'm just saying that (holistically), just performance on the INOI shouldn't influence the decision to select a candidate for IPC.
Also, here's some more research for you. (Stats at time of writing)
Number of people selected for IOITC: 27
Number of people who attended IOITC and gave the Team Selection Tests (TSTs): 21
Number of Grey-level programmers who attended IOITC: 1
Number of Green-level programmers who attended IOITC: 6
Number of Cyan-level programmers who attended IOITC: 3
Number of Blue-level programmers who attended IOITC: 3
Number of Purple-level programmers who attended IOITC: 2
People who don't have an account / haven't done a contest on Codeforces who attended IOITC: 5
People selected from IOITC'17 to IPC: 9 (namely, all 4 IOI contestants, and 5 people outside of it. At the end, 6 out of the 9 people selected to IPC decided to attend.)
The final IOI team comprises of two purples, one blue and one person who doesn't have a CF account, but was a silver medalist at last year's IOI.
The selections for IPC were done two months AFTER the IOI-TSTs, you're telling me that the people who haven't done anything in two months and are still green/grey/even Cyan deserve a chance over people who have been improving regularly on CodeForces and CodeChef without the boost provided by the training camp?
I'm not saying that I'm a more prized candidate over people from IOI-TC, I'm just saying that "Qualified for IOITC" is a statistic amongst many others. How are you doing on online judges? How is your performance from before attending the training camp to after it?
I started doing a lot more on CodeChef after INOI (mostly because they have long contests, and I had little time for short ones), and I have improved a lot in the meanwhile. How does one exam that took place 7 months ago decide my selection NOW?
I'm assuming you're a college student by your reply to ista2000, so I can't compare you to school students. I'm just saying that your whole argument in the OP is just based on IOITC, nothing more, nothing less. If you think you should have been selected, please have the balls to post on your main account, Mr. "regular Candidate Master". How did you do on the ICPC regionals and how have you performed since than? Context, please?
This post may come off as me trying to defend my selection to IPC, but when it comes to pure qualification, I feel that (in school students), I made the cut pretty well. I can't say that I was satisfied with every single selection for IPC, but I think CodeChef did a pretty fine job selecting some of the best programming talent India has to offer from schools and colleges.
This is the screenshot of ista2000's facebook timeline. Translation: "I understood all the lectures other than the last three, upto combinatorics's first lecture"
Now, do you really justify giving chance to such school guys who cant even grasp the stuff taught in the camp over much more experienced guys from universities who can really benefit from the lectures?
Before, you again rant the reserved seats for school students and all, try to understand my point here: They could have just called the most deserving and few school students and not waste the seats for some more school students. This is really like the reservation system in India.
I think Istasis is referncing Kevinsogo's lectures. They were hard to comprehend for most if not all school AS WELL AS college students, and it was something that became a little bit of a meme at camp and most of us (schools and college students alike) gave feedback regarding the same and had different sessions with other lecturers. It's not his fault.
I do agree that maybe the number of school students called was higher than they should have, but again, that's not my decision, just opinion.
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I heard that you slept till 1 pm everyday and skipped all the morning lectures and then didn't attend kevin's lectures at night too.
I'm sure the camp was really useful for you, wasn't it?
Leave these fuckers!! These chuts will improve negligibly.
Oh really!! Can u please tell from where did u get this information? We only missed a lecture if it was a follow up of a lecture we didn't understand and by missed I mean went to another trainer to teach us some other topic.
ignore
They only took students for IOI or ICPC from India. He is going abroad so he won't give ICPC from India.
Yeah but we know he applied and the reason he didn't get selected is that he's going to do his undergrad in the US instead of India.
i am yellow on TC and CMaster and 5starred on Cc plus many big prizes which even selectors failed to gain.but I was not selected. Hatsoff to Codechef
Ok sir, your username please. I am also a LGM from India.
Keep your indian drama on Codechef please. There's no need to make throwaways and post here if you're so afraid someone is going to find your real identity.
Codeforces has nothing to do with it and is not a suitable place to discuss it.
indian drama :P
it seems that you guys not wants to learn something, instead you just had to go to the camp to have fun or to pass your time in summer holidays. as you guys are making fake id and arguing here, rather than waiting for videos upload by codechef.
How long did the camp last?
what do u mean?
No. of days, hours ?
2 hours.
Seems legit.
It was a 3 day camp with 2 hours of lectures, 2 hours gaming and 1 hour for lunch.
Somehow, from the way people are fighting, especially the unrated ones who claim to be more deserving and all, I thought the camp is at least a month of rigorous training. smh
It was for 7 days with around 11-12 hours of lectures.
i don't know and how would i know?
I thought anyone unrated (except Edward Snowden) is related to the camp somehow. Either they got in or wanted to.
I have no interest in the camp, so don't direct me to their website. The way people are fighting, I think they're making a bigger deal than it is, especially since the videos will be uploaded later.
i'm not related to the camp, i'm just telling the truth of indian education system. now a days competitive programming is just a way to getting a decent job especially in india.
If they want job, why they care about FFT, DFT? These are specific to ICPC I think.
The reason they're fighting is because they felt robbed of bragging rights.
The camp lasted for a week, and it went from 9 a.m. till 11p.m. most of the days. I didn't attend the camp. My friend Equinox who attended told me.
Maybe they're fighting because they wanted to meet the lecturers and click selfies with them XD
Anybody blue or above knows that camps alone can't make them great, and not like these lectures are exclusive or anything since they'll be uploaded. It's such a pointless reason to fight. Maybe their gf/bf is pissed at them for being such a loser that codechef didn't choose them :p (sarcasm ofc)
All the camp participants received 10000 CodeChef Laddus and these Laddus can be redeemed for CodeChef TShirts and other goodies. This is the real reason for their fight.
They should be ashamed if this is their reason. They think their life is about bragging, and bragging is their life.
If this guy wasn't more deserving than the others, why is he fighting in the first place, and if he is in fact yellow/orange/purple as he says, then it's most definitely one of these stupid reasons, as he doesn't give a damn about camp's FFT, DFT because he either already knows them, or is smart enough to learn on his own, and he knows it.
Such pathetic losers can't have gfs too.
The guy is making up things. No participant received 10000 Codechef Laddus.
Its sad that you couldn't attend the camp. However on the positive side, all the lectures will be uploaded on their channel. And, if any doubt maybe you can message the trainers here on CF.
let's leave this discussion.
Secondly, this camp was for those for whom they taught would be the most beneficial. For example, a school student in class 11th who has 2 years left would have more benefits than a college student in the 4th semester cause he has more attempts.
i think they should select zygote for camp.
actually you are wrong because "a blue coder of class 11th" << " a yellow guy in 4th sem".
There's something called the lower bound. They wouldn't select a newbie in the camp who will get totally lost and not understand a thing. They would atleast select people who r going to understand some stuff.
bro you wrote so long comment but it must admit in kapil dev's voice it cant be called as rubbish but whatever you gave reason is pure shit.
nvm. leave it.
i challenge you if you become more than yellowon tc+purple on cf before your college life 4th sem,then remember to reply my comment.
i will wait for that day.
cool. deal done.
red on tc=more than yellow on tc and orange on cf=more than purple on cf.
if you fail to do so, i will comment
Why didn't you take this discussion on codechef forums? And why aren't you guys talking in private messages. Do you really think it's important for the whole world to know about your deals?
I get it, you're upset about not getting selected, but maybe all this is overkill.
Yo! Thanks for the motivation.
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How will you justify kushagra's selection?..see my comment
He is going to iitb so he has good chances of getting into ICPC WF. And he has already a great head start even if he didn't do CP since 2 years he will get to that level in a few months.
No he didn't
He got honourable mention and thats almost the same
Wtf no it is not, kuch bhi?
Everything is the same except u don't get accommodation at the camp
Lmao are you retarded?
Only people who are selected for the camp get to take part in the Team Selection Tests to select the IOI Team. Honorable Mentions can't do that.
Ignore.
Nope, no honorable mention has given the TST.
The honorable mention thing is only for help with IIIT-H admissions and it didn't even exist before 2016.
I think u r confused between the honourable mention of 2016 and zco qualification for admissions of 2017.
Sorry I got confused. They can't take part in IOI-TST but they could do the rest of the things like APIO and all.
They could only give APIO, nothing else like practice tests, lectures, etc.
For heaven's sake u won I lost or whatever u want. Let's not waste time on this. Let's just practice more and become purple,yellow,red whatever and then no one will doubt u for selecting in the camp.
Another example of unfair selection is that of kushagra juneja. Okay I know that he won bronze in IOI 2 years ago, but since then, he was completely inactive in the world of CP. He got active in CP just a few days before the IPC selection and he got selected. I can tell at least a dozen candidates who are more deserving than kushagra.
Dude what the fuck, I understand you being angry about noobs getting selected but don't disrespect people with actual skill like Kushagra. The reason he didn't do IOI in 2016 was because he got selected for IMO training camp and IMOTC and IOITC clashed so he could choose to go to only one of them.
And for the matter, you don't really need practice if you're actually good at problem solving like Kushagra is. Practice and regular problem solving is for the people who are bitching in this thread.
"Someone is offering something free to other people, not to me. Let me complain."
By making your rant in Codeforces you show Codechef as a bad/evil platform, mister "love_codechef". If you want to know why someone else was chosen instead of you, why won't you write to Codechef admins?
That being said, my personal opinion is that camps should be only partially sponsored and participants should pay some small amount. Then not everybody wants to attend and the selection isn't that important.
actually he did. He commented on the fb page from the link he provided.
He created fake account here and fake account on Facebook to complain about it. He should be invited in one of those click farms instead.