Hello community, I am one of the ex-Scaler students from the April Batch. I got a job from Campus Placement and I got only one referral in the entire one year. Sadly, I need to pay them, hence I wanted to make people aware of some facts backed with proof, so that they do-not fall into this trap. I have seen a lot of things written about Scaler in the recent month. Scaler came out in public with a video on "What we do and Why we do", where they said their curriculum is focused on learning and not on jobs. But they end up getting disappointed, like most of us in our did.
In India, rarely people will come out in open to speak, because no-one wants to risk their future, so do I. People join such courses thinking that we do not need to pay now, we will pay when we get job. Hence they just join without giving it a second thought. But the main disappointment starts when you start paying installments for 24 months without getting any help to land up a job from the people whom you are paying. Let me bring to you some interesting facts about Scaler which proves that they sell their course on referrals and maximum people do join Scaler thinking that.
Their course costs you around 4.5L if you have a job paying around 15L base. It might cost you more if you have a good base salary. It is 15% of your base for 24 months.
4.5L for a course where you are teaching Data Structure for 3 months. Even red coders here will not charge you that much. Their entrance test has Questions from DP, Heaps, Trees and Graphs. Someone who knows these stuffs, does he even requires a course majorly covering DSA(3 months) for a huge chunk of 4.5L on average? The agenda of them has been, fooling good talent in the name of jobs, covering it up with DSA course.
We were near about 200 people in our April Batch who joined for the sake of a backup that Scaler might help us. Gradually with time, it appeared to us that they were hoping for us to get a placement on own rather then putting efforts to place us. Once we guys got a placement on own, the EMI plan was setup immediately, and they blacklisted us for future referrals since we crossed the slab. They say that they will keep referring us, but they don't once you are placed. The sole reason is they have got their money from you.
Only referrals were provided to Amazon which is considered to be a mass recruiter in India now, and every 3/10th people on Linkedin provides you a referral. Referrals to Lido learning was provided, but the people from my batch backed of, because the company had a legal case running. However some did join it, after joining those people had to use their laptops in work, they were not even provided with laptops, and those people are paying their installments and are really upset with the way they were cheated.
They state that they have 500 partner companies with them in their website. This is one of the other lies they have been spreading, they hardly have 8-10 companies, and they also hire a max of 10 people every year. If they had 500 partner companies, why were referrals not provided to us, May and June batch for Uber, Booking.com, Netflix, Google, Facebook, Tower Research etc?
In their recent video they released, if you ask them about referral stats, or anything is posted which goes against them, you will find that comment deleted withing an hour. Their new batch started this week, where to enroll people they published a blog which claims that 97% people were placed from the batch. The moment you take the entrance test and select people, you know those people are some of the best talents in India and will get a job. They released their placement stats, where you will not find a company which they mention in the above image.
Moreover they have not added a stat count on how many referrals did they provided to FAANG or other companies, which they boast of during the enrollment. The companies listed below are not even the names they mention in their websites. They have added 4 count to Amazon placed people in the name of PPO just to fool people around and boast them of fake numbers. Amazon Interns have confirmed that Amazon never confirms PPO chances before the internship ends. Moreover, Amazon did a intern drive for entire India and this was open to all. They claim to refer people to De-Shaw. What they simply do is, they go on to Careers site of De-Shaw and fill up your application form, and you get a test link(saying this because referral test of De-shaw is of 70 minutes, and the career site test is of 100 minutes). Then they term this as a company referral. Link to blog.
They have banners which states that there are all the top people teaching the course. Truth is, the people in the banner hardly take 3/4 classes each for the sake of the banner they posted. Most of the classes are taken by some guy who is not that good, or someone who is graduating in 2020 without any industry experience. Previously they gave good slabs to people joining them, they have started giving slabs of 7/8 to the new batches, which is a clear indication that they do not have companies to refer too.
They have some set of mentors who take the mentor sessions for the sake of 1.5K that they get per session. On an average every guy does 7-10 sessions. This is because whenever you approach Scaler for referrals, they will carve out a reason of the ground. Sometimes it will be, your problem % is less, sometimes your attendance, sometime your mentor session is less. And at the end when they are not left with reasons, they come up "What we do?, Why we do?". They claim they spend lacs of rupees for every student, hence their fees is that high. Let me bring you up some calculations.
Average 8 mentor sessions costs 1500 * 8 = 12k.(Source: Mentor). Everyday a class is taken by an instructor who teaches roughly 50 people(50 because most of the people do not join classes after 2/3 weeks) for 2.5 hours. In India, the average fees for an instructor teaching is 3k/hour at a maximum(it is 2k/hour on average). Lets take 10k. So 10k/200 = Rs 50 per day. Every month they have 20 classes, at max they will have 140 classes in 6 months. I have taken the extreme higher limit of everything. Which eventually costs you 7k across 6 months. Since they are not providing you with referrals, I am not adding any money count to it. They for sure do-not have 500 partner companies, lets round off 12 + 7 = 19k to 25k. The profit margin which they are making is immense, 4.5L — 25k is 4.25L per student. I say per student because, maximum people will eventually get placed with the talent they possv when you are binding them for 1.5 years under you in the name of a contract.
I started practicing at Interview-Bit in my second year. I was so pleased with the platform they had then. Then the Scaler thing came up giving us so many hopes. But eventually it is all about making money. The so known good guys(Abhimanyu and Anshuman) are exploiting Indian talent to earn big. This needs to stop. I will urge everyone to share this post as much as you can, the exploitation of talent needs to stop.
Link to the previous CF blog: https://codeforces.com/blog/entry/75463, https://codeforces.com/blog/entry/75707
superb the guy is talking in terms of pure facts , profit margin of 4.25 L per student my god
When I started I learnt every thing from youtube rachit jain and gaurav sen this two guys are legends or you can say god for me. Recently new coders are coming up with nice youtube content like striver(take u forward) and go code. because of these good people there there is a lot of good resources out there so we should learn from there insead of any paid courses.
Thanks man for the mention. I did make a video talking about my experience too, but the Scaler guys bought dislikes from various sites(qqtube.com and others may be which am not aware of). Everyday I used to get 50-100 dislikes, now the dislikes stand at 1.7K. These guys can go to any level to safeguard their business. If people had so much of difference with opinion to me on the video, why were there zero comments? Which clearly proves that dislikes were bought from some fraud site. They cannot buy dislikes at Codeforces though XD. Bdw, the author forgot to mention about the TA's salary :P. And +1 to the Amazon PPO thing, my manager also said, they can only have a word about it before 1 week of our exit date.
you can do one thing, remove number of likes and dislikes visibility. and keep the video as it is.
Thanks man, I did it. Am new to YouTube when it comes to uploading videos, hence didn't know about this feature.
Good.
But removing number of likes and dislikes visibility also affects the credibility of the video :(
New people may think that striver_79's video is fake.
Not really. His video is already very popular and he has pinpointed many facts that are backed up by other sources like this blog. So I don't think people will consider it a fake.
don't worry about likes ,you know you are doing a great thing and also know it will help a lot of people and this is what matters more than any number in front of a video.
I can't find your YouTube channel.
Click.
Recently, Code NCode on YouTube by kazama460 has been releasing really good videos at least from (beginner-intermediate) point of view. striver_79 also is also making great videos. Thanks a lot to these people and the CF community.
Indeed, the only way to improve is practice, study and practice. Taking a course won't help that anyways I believe at least in CP. I don't know about training camps as I have not been to one and you can see my rating but I am on the rise.
didn't knew people recognize me. just trying to help community to grow.
Your channel is very useful bro. In the future, it will be the preferred destination for all beginners to learn anything. Keep up the good work.
Hey kazama460, if you are trying the community to grow, can you please remove adds from your YouTube channel, errichto and all have so many subs, but they have not out adds yet. You seem to have put, which really looks annoying.
I want you to think for a moment what you are asking for.
First let me tell you about myself a little. I am a student , not doing any internship and have no source of income.
Second thing : you need resources to keep channel alive (and I am not counting time)
I do not know what is the source of income of Errichto and all but mine is nothing for now.
and if you think that making money is the sole purpose than just think about it , I can use patreon , and show first few videos for free for the rest I can give access to only those who pay.
And if you feel that I am not helping community because I have ads. enabled on my channel , I completely disagree with you on this point.
hey, don't get demotivated by such comments. You are doing a great job for CP community. I appreciate this very much because you may spend this time building own skills but you are willing to help others in a great manner. There is nothing bad in ads, nor they are wasting very much time for us. You are totally correct, everyone needs support
You are Doing Great, you don't required to remove any adds from your channel , if someone get annoying either pay and get any other course or just keep quite for 5-6 sec , i think it's the maximum time of any advertisement(Approx) You are doing great job, seriously I am your big fan, I want you to personally contact/talk with you but I unable to do this because i don't have your number :(
You Big Fan!!
you can contact me on linkedin , I usually reply there to almost everyone I can.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/waqar-ahmad-092b5a193/
Thanks for suggesting some youtube channels.Ciuld you please also suggest some good youtubers for Competitive Programming,I am beginner and I want to improve my CP.
Thanks in advance!!
Hey can you share the link of these two guys striver(take u forward) and go code @arham_doshi
Most of the time if you want to study or read up a topic, usually a filtered search on YouTube works. One should learn how to use the filter on YouTube. I am also trying to make a habit of reading stuff.
Still, it is good to know about these channels. All the good YouTube channels for Competitive Programming(not coding interview) I know are-
CP mostly
Errichto's channel by Errichto. He has one more channel on which he makes longer videos.
Code NCode by kazama460
William Lin's Channel by tmwilliamlin168
Algorithms Live (Not for beginners though)
TakeUForward by striver_79 — new channel
Vplanet by Updown
AlgoPedia by RomeoFantastik
Code_report by code_report
Jalgs (Some intermediate-advanced topics)
Tozan Southerpacks by by EnumerativeCombinatorics
CodeChef Codechef's channel. They have some training camp videos. Recently, they have been making discussion-based videos of recent contests and some learning sessions.
Arabic Competitive Programming — Unfortunately, this channel is in Arabic. I know only English and Hindi.
Semi-Competitive programming related
Rachit Jain by rachitiitr
Gaurav Sen
Emerging channels
Divyanshu Kumar dvkcool
Fluent Algorithms
Coding Interviews
You can always search but still........
Kevin Naughton Jr.
Nick White
Back to Back SWE
Tech Dose
Byte By Byte
HackerRank Youtube tutorials
Errichto, Rachit Jain also make tutorials related to coding interview problems sometimes.
In coding interviews, I forgot to mention
I have posted this comment in its correct place.
can you please write a blog about it dejavucoder because i feel more people should know about this
Go code: https://www.youtube.com/c/Gocode
Write a blog on codechef too so that more Indian people come to know about this fraud.
Sure, will do it today. Thanks for the suggestion.
And one blog on Leetcode too because Leetcode blog will have the maximum reach. Thanks a lot for helping other students know about these fraudsters.
Interestingly someone wrote one on leetcode and it was removed after a few hours only
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kazama460 is consistently uploading good content on youtube .Thank you man!!
WTF is L?
100000 Indian Rupee, around 1300$
Your right no one should indulge in such schemes.
They make you sign a contract saying you'll have to pay. So not paying is illegal, and they can press charges, only if they find out you got a job though. I bet they must be employing people just to hunt down the students of their academy who got themselves a job.
Such scams are alive because they have customers, actually students understand such schemes won't get them jobs, their skills will. And this blog post is doing a good job warning their potential customers.
How is that fair ?
With all these proof, they are clearly frauds. The students should take legal action against them.
They must be having professionals go through the clauses of the contract in detail, and they might be making sure they keep their promises as mentioned in the contract.
For ex. I heard they refer students to pathetic startups or places where the student won't be able to join. This way, they keep their promise to give referrals, to avoid legal action from students
Why do students of IITs and NITs join these academies? I mean they are having the best Campus placements in the whole country.
I should point out that their 'Entrance Exam questions' are notorious for being copies of other contests from other websites.
It costs more than 4 years of college, if you think about it !
Thanks for the extensive review. I have another question: you have to pay the amount only if your package is above the threshold they promise in the beginning, right? I have a friend who was earning 4.5 LPA and is promised a package of 9.5 LPA at the end of the course. Now if they don't get a package of 9.5, they're not liable to pay 4.5, right? Is my understanding correct?
Also, another thing I want to understand is: if they hardly have 8-10 companies as the post claims, most students would go unplaced, right? So the profit of 4.25L/student is only for the placed students, which according to the theory is only a small percentage of the students. So overall that number might not be that high (like if 10% of students get placed, their profit is 0.425L/students taught)
About the second question: As far as I understood from the posts, they select students that are already good enough to get placed to big companies on their own, inspite of that, the students join because of the fear of (what if?).
Linkedin plus self determination and persistence on codeforces should work better than these rogue/pseudo platforms, these things have really worked for me and i would suggest everyone to do that plus if you can make some contribution like videos on youtube or other things to gain some fan following then it will also boost your chances :)
Wow, didn't know Interviewbit was exploitative like this. I graduated from university, in India, 3 years ago. I did join one of the MS/Amazon/G/FB through a PPO in my 3rd year.
Let me tell you, 15% of your yearly salary for 2 years just for interview coaching seems to be a scam, a big one at that. As for profit margins, I don't think it is 4.5L as you say. Startups have fixed costs like Staff salaries, real estate costs, bonuses etc so profit margin is definitely lesser than 4.5L. Consider this, with a starting salary from Microsoft/Amazon, I spend 15% (14.xx actually) of my monthly salary on just rent (this is on the higher side) in Blr/Hyd. Point I make is, it will add to your fiscal burden in the future and will act as a severe dampener on your savings.
I think it is pointless to spend this much on plain old DS/Algo coaching. You can either learn it online, MIT OCW etc is a goldmine and its free or just do competitive programming, which is also free. To do hardcore interview prep, you can buy Leetcode/ educative.io for a fraction of the price and practise from there. They will suffice for beginner roles in Software Development and they cover most of the things that will be asked in SDE interviews in India. As for System Design, it is only asked for people with experience and again, educative.io covers everything and that too for $35 only and you retain the content forever which you can use in future interviews.
Thanks for having the courage to speak out. My siblings also will be looking for jobs in product companies at the end of their UG studies and this would greatly help in steering them away from this.
Hello Everyone, it's nice that some concerns have been highlighted here with said facts which seems to be true, but this is not true.
i) 4.5L for every students is false, Every qualified students have different threshold salary based on the performance of entrance and the CTC we have in current company.
ii) This is not a course on only Data structures, I have nearly completed the course and it is divided in fullstack and backend Engineer.
Now the allegations that scaler academy is fraud and all is baseless, they have very rich content and TA's are very supportive.
They are evolving and the quality of content is getting prettier day by day. I saw my multiple friends getting placed with the help of scaler academy.
In India, If there is a free service, every one is happy but someone asked the money for their service, everyone will scream with partial information spread, this is common mentality.
If they have very rich content then why they copied almost all problems from leetcode ...instead of copying why they can't make some good problems like CF,CC or topcoder ?
How much did they pay you?
scalar aka bhosdiwalo thoda daro bhagwan se....pehle hamare bhai striver_79 ne tumko nanga kiya or ab scaler_april_batch ne chutiyo koi iman dharam h ya bech diya...maasum logo ko bevkuf banate ho khud ka koi problem nhi hai sab kuch leetcode se le liya or fr bhi logo ko chutiya banate ho... or bevkufi ki had ki logo ko pagal banane ke liye bas kuch acche coders ko le aao video me or logo ko chutiya banao...me ab bhi kah rha hu ki ye chutiyap band kro kuch accha kaam kro...at last bhosdiwalo bhagwan se to daro :)
I think if anyone apart from the very first batch students rant about not getting a job or getting tricked I think it is not completly the fault of scaler the situation you are in now but the person who took their course is also resoponsible. Any sensible person would look for negative reviews about product they are buying and I think many people from the first batch might already have written about the fraud scaler is doing. And even after reading these kind of posts one opts to join scaler it is their calculated risk they took for which scaler alone can't be held responsible. "If something seems to good to be true, it is"
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lol, they are writing % of IIT/NIT/IIIT students in their photos. I am a student at IIT I can say here nobody even knows what scaler academy is. Why would anyone from these colleges join them? It clearly indicates they are a fraud.
Hi, I know some of my friends from IITs also joined this but I am also curious why they joined.
Link: https://imgur.com/eBzPGlA
Why didn't you write the blog with real account? I mean i have seen people who want to criticize ScalerAcademy go anonymous! No offence but why is that?
maybe there is a policy for students that they can't speak against them that's why these guys have to take this route for helping others from such a trap.
They don't cover anything from OS, networks and DBMS?
The post mentions they cover DSA for 3 months, some basic notes of OS, DBMS and CN. And real shit classes after then. Once the DSA is done, they get off the blocks, and are in a hurry to wrap up. Which-ever the clases are, one of the instructors has confirmed they are paid in range 7-10k. Hence I have covered the cost. Thanks
Well so they are just taking advantage of those talented pool who are insecure and underconfident that they wont land anywhere!!
I tried once, but was rejected due to a bad interview. Then they mailed again, but I didn't get the point of someone teaching me something that I could learn myself. So I bailed out of that idea, and decided I'll go on my own as long as possible.
After this post of yours, that looks like a good decision on my side. \o/
I feel that some of the facts stated in this article are wrong. 1. Each mentee could have around 3(per month) * 6 (total months) = 18 sessions privately with their mentor. Payment is 1500 for each hourly session. So the upper cap for a mentor-mentee session in itself = 27000 INR
This is just the amount that the mentor could earn. There are overheads for each session. Because Scaler provides their own UI. I have used it and can say it is extremely good. No lags, there is video, and a collaborative editor. Definitely these things do not come for free.
Apart from this there would be other expenditures as well. Another statement regarding selection interviews having questions on graphs or trees is also false. I have taken the interviews and questions asked were very basic.
Summary — Yes, Scaler might be making a good profit per student. But the stats provided in this post are false.
Coming to your point about mentors, since you have used the word "could", let me give you an insight to this. Most of the students from every batch end up doing 5-10 sessions only. Hence an average of 8 sessions have been taken to compute the cost. I have not seen anyone doing 18 sessions in the entire course, I have heard people being active in the first, then they leave hope as referrals stop coming and semesters start, and multiple other reasons. Mentors only get paid for the sessions they have, nothing extra than that.
Second, the screenshot about the entrance test editorial video has been posted, you can check the questions in the link.
Thirdly, over-heads is fine, but that does not meaning running a business on false claims about referrals. Do you even think these guys have 500 partner companies? What I have mentioned is the expenditure on students solely.
Hello everyone, myself Utkarsh Gupta (Ex-Googler) currently a Software Engineer & Instructor at Scaler Academy. Full disclosure, I interned at InterviewBit/Scaler Academy before joining Google and joined it back as I associate with the mission and life transformations. I am writing it down because I have seen things first hand and the facts can’t be farther from what's stated here. Here are my views on this blog:
“_I got a job from Campus Placement and I got only one referral in the entire one year. Sadly, I need to pay them, hence I wanted to make people aware of some facts backed with proof so that they don't fall into this trap._”
To all my juniors here, a word of advice. Do not run only after referrals. There are very few good engineers and every company is looking for them. The supply and demand is the struggle.
If you want a good company, “referrals”, “degrees”, “internship referral” is NOT the solution. If you want a good company, you have to become a good engineer. That’s all there is to it.
Do not be misguided. Optimize for learning, not for jobs. I am where I am, because of really good mentors and learning partners. Find them.
If you become a great engineer, you will always have options for good companies. I have never come across a great engineer stuck at a bad company just because they did not have a referral. I am sure the Scaler curriculum is optimizing for that.
“_they said their curriculum is focused on learning and not on jobs_”
Yes. Absolutely. Jobs are an outcome. Read my previous answer.
“_People join such courses thinking that we do not need to pay now, we will pay when we get a job. But the main disappointment starts when you start paying installments for 24 months without getting any help to land up a job from the people whom you are paying._”
One of the reasons I got really excited about Scaler Academy is because it lets people in, who might be really poor now and can pay once they have a job and are capable of paying. I have seen multiple stories where students wouldn’t have joined a course that asked for anything upfront because they come from a family where they are barely surviving. I also know that without Scaler in the equation, they might not have had the right guidance to end up where they are. I hope some of those folks speak up here for everyone to see. @Naman Bhalla: You had also taken postpaid, right?
“_Their course costs you around 4.5L if you have a job paying around 15L base._”
This is half the truth. There are 3 payment models. You can pay 1.5L (~2000$) for a 6-month course upfront, or you can pay 3L (~4000$) up front and get it all back if you don’t get the right outcome, or you pay 15% of the salary for 2 years without paying anything upfront. Also, as far as I know, anyone who signed up before Jan, 2020 had the pricing model where it was 17% of base salary for 2 years capped at 3L (~4000$). In India, a base salary of 15L for freshers is very uncommon. Even Amazon pays a base salary of less than 15L. The real fee of the course is 1.5L (~2000$) unless you want someone else to invest in you.
“_course where you are teaching Data Structure for 3 months_”
Incorrect. DS Algo is taught for the first 2 months of the course (it extends if people learn at a slower pace). The next 4 months are on other stuff (CS Fundamentals, MVC, how to build apps using various kinds of tech), low-level design, high-level architecture design. Why so? Because that’s when you become a good software engineer. For recent batches, the course duration was extended to 9 months without any additional cost as their pace of learning and coping with the course was slower.
“_Their entrance test has Questions from DP, Heaps, Trees, and Graphs. Someone who knows these stuff, does he even requires a course majorly_”
Yes, we keep an entrance test to decide multiple parameters. One of them is the pace of lecture. We have never rejected a person because they were not able to solve a question on DP or Heaps or Trees or Graphs. There is another detail the person omitted comfortably. To make sure, the course is as fruitful as possible, batches are split so that people who know more are put in SuperX batch and are taught at a different pace. Everyone’s learning outcome is important. That is, if you are keen to learn.
“_This is one of the other lies they have been spreading, they hardly have 8-10 companies, and they also hire a max of 10 people every year._”
This also seems incorrect. I’d let students correct this, but I’ll tell you this. I have access to the data, and while I am not sure I can disclose without permission from the company, 200+ students got placed through referrals from Scaler Academy. I repeat again however, that learning needs to be prioritized. If you are capable and have the right attitude, jobs automatically align because jobs can be taken away unlike knowledge.
“_What they simply do is, they go on to Careers site of De-Shaw and fill up your application form, and you get a test link(saying this because the referral test of De-shaw is of 70 minutes, and the career site test is of 100 minutes)._”
For those interested, please DM me. I am happy to share a screenshot of email conversations of referrals and updates from DE Shaw (with candidate names blurred) with you.
“_Truth is, the people in the banner hardly take 3/4 classes each for the sake of the banner they posted._”
I am one of the Instructors in the poster and yes I take the lectures on regular bases but it is also true that for certain topics there are instructors who are better than me and can teach in a better way. And since our aim is to provide the best to the students so we shuffle the instructors based on the content to teach etc.
“_Let me bring you up some calculations…. I have taken the extremely higher limit of everything._”
This again is completely wrong. If you want high-quality education, it costs. Instructors are full-time employees who are ex-Google, ex-Facebook, ex-Directi and those are companies that pay really well. There are teaching assistants, mentors, career coaches, tech platforms, engineers, student success managers, and a bunch of support staff getting you this access. There are always free resources, but don’t provide the ecosystem of such benefits (Mock Interviews with same company mentors, 1:1 soft skill building through a mentor, teaching assistants for doubt resolution, high-quality teachers, etc.)
Here is what I have observed based on student feedback recently. Scaler students are being harassed on messages. There are people who cloned the site on interview bit.academy (IB team has added redirect as a temporary measure). Mentors are being harassed on LinkedIn.
Express opinion. Discuss. Don’t misguide everyone else for personal gains. You know who you are.
If scaler is not fraud, then don't you think that they should come out with their referral stats? Doodh ka doodh paani ka paani ho jaega.
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Vilas (or whoever you are as I can see lot of fake accounts here probably from the same person) as I mentioned Scaler Academy is not only about referral.
Consider a situation where you have 2 options: 1. Getting a job. 2. Gaining skills.
What will you choose if you have only 1 option to select?
All this fuss is not about Scaler doing illegal business, but about Scale doing unethical business. You are not duping students, but taking unfair advantage of their insecurities. Hope you understand this sooner.
Based on your codeforces handle which you created 30 minutes ago just to reply to my message, now I'm sure that this is just one person making multiple fake IDs and also highly probable that you are not confident in what you are saying therefore you are hiding your identity.
Comeon my friend, be a MAN.
Hey Utkarsh, I hope you are doing well. So according to you:
"To all my juniors here, a word of advice. Do not run only after referrals. There are very few good engineers and every company is looking for them. The supply and demand is the struggle."
I know you joined them now, one year back, all the advertisements that scaler did was based on Referrals, you can checkout the webinars or the on boarding sessions. This fact cannot be denied that the course was never sold due to the excellent structure of it, it was always marketed on the basis of referrals, the webinars of on-boarding session are a proof to it.
"Yes. Absolutely. Jobs are an outcome. Read my previous answer. "
I agree to this, but the Scaler team while advertising for the course, puts on statements like 500 partners companies, don't you think this is highly part of the agenda to get good people in.
One of the reasons I got really excited about Scaler Academy is because it lets people in, who might be really poor now and can pay once they have a job and are capable of paying
A straight question to Scaler, so you say you have 3 models, so why do you differentiate people after they get jobs. Two person ram and shyam get interviews for Apple, ram crack it, the other cracks a start up. According to your current system, ram pays much much more than what shyam does, despite taking the same course, same guidance, everything. Is this not a part of business you are doing? If it is a postpaid plan, take back money according to some common rate of interest on 1.5L, which I am sure will never make 4L after 2 years. Coming back to 15 lpa, that was an example that was taken, please re-read the sentence, even if you get amazon it pays 13.5 as base which makes it as 4L to be paid. 4L for a course?
"DS Algo is taught for the first 2 months of the course"
The website states 12 weeks, I might not be a good cp person like you, But I know basic Maths, it is 3 months for exact if we talk about 12 weeks, that is what I mentioned in the post. I will attach the screenshot on where referral after classes of DSA are to be started, so without making him an engineer as you say, how can you start the referrals, anyone with some basic knowledge, if runs through scaler.com can say it is not about the course, it is about the referrals.
"Yes, we keep an entrance test to decide multiple parameters. One of them is the pace of lecture. We have never rejected a person because they were not able to solve a question on DP or Heaps or Trees or Graphs. There is another detail the person omitted comfortably. To make sure, the course is as fruitful as possible, batches are split so that people who know more are put in SuperX batch and are taught at a different pace. Everyone’s learning outcome is important. That is, if you are keen to learn."
In my april batch, I did not see anyone who got selected by doing 2/3 questions, it had to be 3.5+. Many of my college friends could not go through as they did solve 3. Now times have changed, due to the reviews and people backing of, you guys are bound to take people who solve 2/3 by giving them a slab of 7 lac. Anyone who works hard on self can get 7 lac job these days. Correct me if I am wrong?
"I am one of the Instructors in the poster and yes I take the lectures on regular bases but it is also true that for certain topics there are instructors who are better than me and can teach in a better way. And since our aim is to provide the best to the students so we shuffle the instructors based on the content to teach etc."
You took total of 5/6 classes in our batch, Vivekanand sir was the best of you people, he left in November, please do not use his name now. 6 months is a long time for some to go off.
"This again is completely wrong. If you want high-quality education, it costs. Instructors are full-time employees who are ex-Google, ex-Facebook, ex-Directi and those are companies that pay really well. There are teaching assistants, mentors, career coaches, tech platforms, engineers, student success managers, and a bunch of support staff getting you this access. There are always free resources, but don’t provide the ecosystem of such benefits (Mock Interviews with same company mentors, 1:1 soft skill building through a mentor, teaching assistants for doubt resolution, high-quality teachers, etc.)"
In India the average payment to an instructor is 6k per 3 hours (coding blocks every other stuff gives), lets take 20k for your instructor. I can assure you will never pay that amount. 20k is a hell lot, the instructor who is from google directi has a base of 15, rounds up to 1.2L. If teaching gives him 20K per day, any one here will leave those high paying jobs, as he will erarn 1.2L in a month. :) Numbers don't lie. The cost of TA is 15k per month, which again will hardly add 1k to the total fees, I have calculated the entire cost keep the threshold high always.
Utkarsh sir, you are a gem to the country, but the thing is credibility, student's trust and hopes should be placed high above everything else. Can you please the referral stats of all the 500 companies your company claims to partner with. Thanks.
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Note: I am not doing this at the request of anyone.
Apology: I am not good at the English language.
I am a student of the April batch of the scaler academy. I am writing this post because of so much wrong information is spreading all over the platforms. Recently I uploaded a video on my youtube channel about How I land up in a product based company. There I received so negative comments https://codeforces.com/blog/entry/75463?#comment-596454, mostly from fake ids (even someone copied my Youtube username although now I have removed them all ) that I did that video on the request of someone and the video was paid promotion and most of the people laughed on my English. But that video was neither a paid promotion nor I did that on the request of someone.
In fact, my relation with Interviewbit goes since many years. My elder brother himself is a Mentor of Scaler Academy, and he has worked at very good companies, and still, he advised me to join this course even if I had to pay such a huge amount. He knew the knowledge there would be worth the money. Getting referrals for me was never an issue anyway, so I came for learning.
I am a tier 3 college student where the only hope for every student is the GATE exam because our college has zero campus placements and all the students take participate in pool placement where thousands of students came to participate and only 5 to 10 students get a job of like 3.5LPA and 4LPA. Since I am not good at studies so the GATE exam was not a good option for me that's why I decided to start programming from my first year. That time I did not have any seniors who were doing programming so I lacked good mentorship other than from my brother.
So from being a student of such type of college, when I received an offer from a product-based company with CTC of 12LPA. I became excited to share my experience with everyone because this is the first time in the entire history of our college someone received an offer more than 5LPA so that students who are from the same type of college like mine become motivated. But some people think that this video is fake. Since the scaler academy played a very important role for me to get into this company being from this type of college that why I made that video.
During my course, I had received referrals from google, lido, MPL, nova (a Zeta company), Sharechat. I was in EliteX batch and I was taught by Anshuman sir, Nihal sir, Vivekanand sir and many other. My mentor was from Flipkart company and whenever I had an interview, I had good amount of mock interviews before that from the same company. I was fully dedicated to the course https://imgur.com/eBzPGlA and got the benefits of that. If someone has solved only 5% problems and he expects to get the best results, I think he needs to think again. Anyways, I don't want to repeat everything again. Feel free to watch my Youtube video for my feedback ( link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rVAr3E-nMs&t= )
I don't understand why are the number of solved problems specifically on interviewbit so important here? If scaler takes in people who are already good (like the blue rated guy who uploaded the youtube video), why would he solve >70% problems? Why would he solve problems like reversing a linked list. Before giving a referral, should you not look at how good a person is in Algorithmic thinking? Problem count seems irrelevant here(atleast in my opinion).
Hi Aditya, as I mentioned solving Algorithm problems are not enough to become a good software engineer. There are other parameters involved (Design skills and Computer Fundamentals) and we have to keep a measuring parameter to keep the track of progress of our students therefore attendance/percentage of problems solved help us give an idea that the student is improving his/her skills.
The argument will rest in peace forever if you share the referral status of the 500 companies your scaler advertises to be partner with. An argument can never be won without stats. If anyone is questioned, i.e., Scaler. It is a high time that Scaler comes out with referral stats rather than stats which include placements of colleges.
Don't you think you should have regular contests(or other kinds of assessments) for tracking someone's progress?
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Aditya, So, you want to say that they will take students who are already very good at problem solving and all and who only need referrals?
So, It means you are paying for the referral and which is 3Lakhs. Do you not think it is so much only for referrals?
So, If a person wants to pay 3 lakhs only for referrals then he can directly give this proposal to any person who is already in good company to get referrals because I think you are ready to pay 3lakhs to someone then anyone can happily accept your proposal for referrals. So why join IBA?
In my april batch, I did not see anyone who got selected by doing 2/3 questions, it had to be 3.5+. Many of my college friends could not go through as they did solve 3. Now times have changed, due to the reviews and people backing of, you guys are bound to take people who solve 2/3 by giving them a slab of 7 lac. Anyone who works hard on self can get 7 lac job these days. Correct me if I am wrong? This means they are taking people who are good enough bro. A small question, if people are so satisfied, there are a total of 1k students as Anshuman sir mentioned, why are people not coming out and saying scaler is good. Out of 1k, atleast 50 can come isn't it?
I think you should read what I wrote again. I only said number of problems solved on "interviewbit" is not something which you can use against someone who is not happy with your platform. If someone is not good at Algorithms or Design skills(I think these are not relevant for new grad positions), then it is a fair reason to give. But saying his attendance was low? That just does not make sense. If you are asking about my opinion on referrals, I wouldn't pay a single penny for them. If you have good problem solving skills, you can easily get referrals on linkedin, etc.
I am curious since you solved a lot, how many referrals you got?
Manish, You can read my post again for your curiosity.
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Most of the students joined only for referrals. They never lacked the skills that a Software Engineer must have. It was just the insecurity that they may end up remaining unplaced because not so many good companies visit their campus. It'll be great if somehow we could know these for every student:
I think this will clear out many misunderstandings for both the sides. Peace!
I agree with you.
That is what I have screaming, come out with your referral stats, everyone would be shut. Instead of coming out with 300 word comments Utkarsh Gupta should come up with Data of all the batches still now. That clears the air who is good and who is not.
Most of the students joined only for referrals
You are an idiot(stupid) if you have joined Scaler (or any other course) only for referrals. Why would you pay 4.5 Lakhs Indian Rupees just for referrals?
Instead learn how to use LinkedIn. It is absolutely free of cost unless you opt for their premium services.(Premium membership cost is not too high and is not needed for students).
They never lacked the skills that a Software Engineer must have
First of all, this claim is invalid and more importantly how do you as a student what all skills are required for Software Engineer.
It was just the insecurity that they may end up remaining unplaced because not so many good companies visit their campus.
You are not confident about your skills. That's it. Period.
You are an idiot(stupid) if you have joined Scaler (or any other course) only for referrals
That's exactly what I'm trying to convey here, arnab_goswami. People shouldn't follow the advertisements and never ever expect referrals.
learn how to use LinkedIn
This is what I suggest people to do now since they're hopeless now.
how do you as a student what all skills are required for Software Engineer
By going through the course's syllabus LOL
You are not confident about your skills
Does that give anyone the right to exploit people's insecurities?
Hey you fucken idiot, give me 1.5Lacs I will refer to any company you want.
Be careful about your language buddy!
You're no less than any of such courses. Now please go and learn how people use LinkedIn. It is absolutely free of cost unless you opt for their premium services. (Premium membership cost is not too high and is not needed while asking for referrals). Nobody asks for 1.5Lacs. Guess who's fucken idiot now! LOL XD
I can fly off to Russia and attend an ICPC camp for the money they are charging
I could have 4 switzerland trips with it.
I had been an avid CP doer during college days a few years ago and still keep looking on algo discussions here. Had been seeing this stuff going on here and believed them and pitied on them being affected by Scaler. But having had an incidence of being under a vendetta with my own startup, I now think that this all might be fake, or overrated. Most of the accounts here are new one, justified that they might be afraid as Scaler is a big corporation, and so is even mine a new account, seeing the bashing going here, why would I want to be downvoted by some useless trolls. But now let's try to see some stuff going on.
I see 2 students posted their positive views and those posts were heavily downvoted. Like even -60 downvotes? Wut ? A downvote is when you don't agree with someone's views. Both had their name and all information attached. And even an instructor, who I think is a well knows programmer, his posts are getting -ve votes. Two reasons right ? 1 might be many people genuinely having a concern while other might be this being just a vendetta. Normally if it is a genuine concern, people don't attack the supporters. They understand it is an environment where everyone achieves different. But I would still want Scaler to clarify on referrals, while saying again, it is mostly a set of trolls having some fun.
Then I went through the leetcode link they had given. The post was deleted so I though to check Google cache. I guess some people there made total sense as well.
In a university as well, while everyone studies same, do they get to the same outcome ? There will always be a person who will get on to achieve more, why, not because he was given special treatment, but because he was working specially hard. People who don't make it also tend to get aggressive. I won't specially call them losers, but that is how losers act. A frank advice buddies, use this time to rather than aggressively troll, to work on your growth. Job is a very small thing . Aim for more, read great books, hear some good people. Grow up ! I liked doing such stuff as a school kid, being jealous of the topper and saying my teacher was partial towards them. The thing was had I been that disciplined, the teacher would have been that with me.
Also, a sudden burst of such posts on all platforms, might be even some corporate is involved. It is reality of business world. It is a fierce competition so they might be trying to use this to advantage ! Talking of referrals being distributed on Linkedin, I think referrals to people who you don't know should be banned. Spoils the whole motive of employee referrals and also making it difficult for not active people.Anyways, just a request to everyone. Stop this here. Codeforces is known for awesome algorithmic problems and discussions. Keep it a place for that and not a place to vent out when you are not able to get something. Any sensible person should be able to see that atleast it is some kind of vendetta around. Spend this time improving yourself. Yes, Scaler should also clarify but codeforces is not a place to talk about this, atleast not by creating multiple threads. I now this will also be downvoted. Doesn't matter getting downvoted if some people can't promote fruitful discussion either but are trolling around playing downvote game.
Peace out and hope you succeed in life.
See, your post's main message is "reasons why you should shut up", just better written. People are upset over something. Being told to stop being upset will just rile them up even more — as it should.
Yes, I'm pretty sure that's the case here.
Let us use backtracking. 1000 students of Scaler, a minimum of 100 people should be having codeforces account.
If I post something about Codeforces, e.g."the contests are bad" etc etc, people will RIP me apart because it is not.
If Scaler was good, where are the original accounts? Baring Utkarsh Gupta, who works for the company(after he left Google) for a real high pay and probably some shares in it, and the other guy Mohit whose youtube video is no less than a C grade actor reading his script, I do-not see anyone posting positive reviews too. I understand this is a CP community, but if a community can spread a good message and save people, I don't see any harm in it. Peace.
You better come with your real profile of code forces. I already know who you are and better watch your acting first before saying anything to anyone :)
Is there any group on codeforces where people practice for placements. If yes please share the link
hey this is not a website dedicated for placement preparation. You can go to Geeksforgeeks, Leetcode, InterviewBit, Scaler Academy for job prepration. Please dont spam here
Not Scaler .
Why not scaler?
Read the blog(s) .
i am not scalar fan but i don't see this post any how related to codeforces
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By seeing your rating graph, you also don't look in any way related to Competitive Programming.
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Please post blogs only related to Competitive Programming.
If you want to address this issue, use other medium.
Don't spam codeforces.
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