School_of_The_Future's blog

By School_of_The_Future, history, 5 weeks ago, In English

Hello everyone,

We are an educational institution based in North Macedonia with a goal to prepare students for the National, Balkan, and International Olympiad in Informatics. With over 250 students and four years' experience, we want to expand our institution internationally.

We are offering individual preparations for the IOI, IMO, IPhO, and students who have ratings under 1600 and have a strong passion for competitive programming. Our tutors have a strong background in their fields and have participated in many contests before.

If there are no more than 3 students with a similar level of knowledge, we form a group and teach them in a small group in order to lower the fees and create a better environment.

If you are interested in joining us, message us here.

We look forward to working with all of you.

Kind regards,

School of The Future

 
 
 
 
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Is this legit? How much does it cost?

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    I'm very interested if this is real.

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    When their first submission id a runtime error you know it's real. :D

    Jk, I'm interested as well.

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    Yes, we are legit. You can check our website: https://www.schoolofthefuture.mk/ but unfortunately it is in Macedonian. Preparations for the Olympiads cost 35€ per hour(60 minutes) and if your rating is below 1600 it costs 25€ per hour(60 minutes). We also offer financial aid if necessary. Group lessons are between 10€ — 15€ depending on the level.

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      I don't mean to call you out, but this rate is way too high, especially considering the living conditions in your country.

      Competitive math/physics/programming are things you can learn on your own and if you are serious about it should dedicate countless hours on your own. I mean 25 EUR for a 1500 rated participant is way too overpriced. What are you going to teach them in one hour? And why in the world would a 2000+ rated person ask you for guidance at a price of 35€?

      Again, everything you offer can be found for free online and considering the targeted demographics I believe they are capable of exhausting everything from the web.

      We've already got AOPS, CodeForces, GeeksForGeeks, TopCoder, Math Exchange and numerous online communities to ask for help and learn new techniques for s very low price of 0€.

      I see no achievements in math on your page, just some stuff on national level which is a complete joke, no IMO medal and most IMO medalists study on their own without mentoring. At that price you better make your students next Teodor von Burg or something...

      I'd stay away from you, but that's just my $0.02.

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        We respect your opinion! Each student has had a lot more progress when they started learning from us than by themselves. You can prepare yourself and that is totally fine. We are here to help with the progress. And as we said, we do offer financial aid if neseccary.

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        I second this, especially the fact it is in macedonian is a major thonk flag

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          Do not judge an institution based on the location. Judge it based on the results it has got. On average half of the National team which participates at International Olympiads has taken lessons from us.

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        I bet this dude would've got an A in his literature courses, there's a 500 word essay in his every comment :p

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          I always try to get my point out there and make things as clear as possible. I should work on trying to reduce number of words/sentences used to express my views and opinions. Yeah, thanks for pointing out. :)

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        There are plenty of people who go to way more expensive camps or tutoring for olympiad and other academics. I don't know anything about the quality of the program, but you can't judge them on price alone, especially since it's not that outlandish...

        Also, it literally does says "International Mathematical Olympiad (IMO) [4 of our 6 participants in the MKD national team]", at least according to google translate smh.

        Personally, if I'm gonna spend my time helping someone, I'd wanna make some money too to make up for the many hours I spent in cp and other competitions.

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          It doesn't matter how many students make the IMO team in their country, when it id one of the weaker teams. There are tens and perhaps hundreds of students in China, Russia, Iran and many other countries who would smoke their students and still didn't make the IMO. Again — no IMO medal means no credibility when it comes to olympiad preparation, and there's no sign of IPhO or IOI success on the page either. I may be wrong about the last statement, so I apologize if in fact there are some good achievements in physics/informatics.

          People who spend money are usually the best of the best and just like there are plenty of people who pay the courses there are plenty of people who have won golds or high silvers on their own. This programme didn't make a single person good enough to score IMO bronze

          And again talking about the high payment rate — median salary in Macedonia is about 300€, so what do we conclude? This is not about helping students, it's about making good amounts of money. Just imagine 10 students taking 3 classes a week — that's 4200€ just from those students every month and I bet there are more people than that especially if we note that there have been over 250 students in the last four years. Of course the money is split among tutors, there are additional costs, etc. But sti the point is there.

          I'm not neccesarrily against courses and tutors, but paying this much for that level of knowledge is too much.

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            There are many factors that you should take into consideration regarding the performance of a student during a contest. It is not all about the preparation, stress, and many other factors that can ruin a participant's performance. Also, classes are usually once or twice a week, so no student has paid 4200€. If it was about making money, why do we offer financial aid and do not have a single sponsor? On top of that, we offer monthly preparations for group lessons in math which are much cheaper but cannot do the same thing with programming since the demand is low.

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              I never said that single student paid 4200€, just read the whole comment again.

              2 hours a week won't teach you enough and will never make you an IMO medalist, the situation with group classes is even worse. And I am saying this as somebody who has done both self study and taking 3-4 classes a week in physics with people who mentored olympiad medalists, both individual and in groups.

              And the first point about concentration and what not, those are just dumb excuses. Over the course of 4 years at least one well prepared student should have performed decent despite these factors, which sadly didn't happen. What's more I think that your students being the best in country could have performed much better with proper schedule and practice.

              I may take all this back, but only once you prove me wrong with some results. Everything else you say is empty gibberish right now.

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                This year North Macedonia won 3 bronze medals at the IOI. Last year one bronze medalist at the IOI was our student. Two of the bronze medalists had taken year-long lessons from our institution. The schedule is made according to the student's needs and potential. Financial aid can be up to 100% and we can lower the cost of a lesson.

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                  With this argumentation you proved my assumptions wrong, and I owe you an apology in that regard.

                  But my question is — Why don't you feature students who have achieved the biggest success somewhere on the page? Or could you at least point me somewhere where I can find out about them?

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                  Since the competitive programming community in North Macedonia is small, we do not have to share the results of our students. Our target group knows about us. I will contact them and announce whether they will share their experience with you.

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For under rating 1.6k you can get >1.6k with your own effort smh

also cf is so math based

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    What about your bronze usaco course then?