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Why Chinese kids are legend at CP?
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Why Chinese kids are legend at CP?

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because they dont see adult film do maths homework on time

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    Best Comment man XD

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    ！！！！！！

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    They do

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    It's not true.I am a 16 year old Chinese student. My CP level is not particularly poor, but I never do maths homework.Many Chinese CPers don't do homework just like me XD

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      help help me,dude.

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      You are 16 i am 22 you are in school i am final year undergrad. My CP experience 8 month. Your's 2 year.. things are very clear brother

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      How many questions have u practiced till now ?(approx..)

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I heard they train 8 hours a day at math to improve their programming skills.

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    Not exactly. Actually,only OIers in China do so,and they often don't study curriculums,but to use it to do coding instead.

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      yes, but some of them are so smart that they get grades even without studying!

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They have been training intensively since the age of 12. The schools would pick all potential kids and teach them advanced concepts very early. They usually spend a great deal of time doing homework (like 10+ hours daily for kids who aimed to compete in later years). Sad but true, to achieve what they have now, most of them sacrificed their childhood doing homework.

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    I sacrificed my childhood doing nothing.

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      Same.

      My "happiness" until I finished high school was maybe $$$3$$$ out of $$$10$$$, for various reasons: I had zero freedom, I was doing something I didn't like the whole day, I was getting bad results at competitions, and I felt I was "wasting" all my talent. Now I think my happiness is around $$$8$$$ out of $$$10$$$. Maybe "sacrificing my childhood" by training $$$10+$$$ hours daily would correspond to $$$4$$$ out of $$$10$$$.

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    How do you know that?

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      I live next to China, I have a lot of Chinese friends as well. They always complain to me about the amount of homework they have to deal with every day. A usual student typically spends 5 — 7 hours at school each day, they have to train really hard to get into college since it is very competitive (even for average students). Their parents are also very harsh on them, they force their kids to learn and do homework constantly, and most of them would be sent to extra classes till night. They both have the talent and also work very hard (or too hard), no surprise for the result they've got. If you are talented and you were born in China, chances are you could be one of those legendary kids.

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        Same Scenario in India and many asian countries

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          The only difference is, in India, they would pick the least optimal method, and force the students to study the same curriculum until Highschool.

          Even the next 2-3 years are wasted pursuing a very generic learning path(PCM or PCB for STEM aspirants) which is almost 0 help for someone who wants to pursue programming.

          I really hate the fact that I have wasted and many others waste years mugging up the periodic table and learning the exceptions in inorganic chemistry in order to get into a decent college where we can pursue CS-related courses which have 0 relation to 90% of the JEE syllabus.

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    In China there are some policies to support ones participating in CP, such as giving us bonus scores on our entrance exam to university if we are doing well, therefore this is a great motivation for Chinese kids to learn CP.

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      What!!! Really???

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        It's real.

        There are 5 kinds of "Discipline Competition" for senior high school student in China -- maths, physics, chemistry, biology and OI. If you awarded in national competitions in China, you will be recommend for admission to a great university like PKU and THU.

        That's why Chinese students begin to learn CP at the age of 12 or 13, and some of them could be "legend" like one of my friends liuhengxi.

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    I lived in China for many years and I can confirm this is true. In particular, when I was in China (about 10 years ago), even high school students not doing competitions were required to study from (roughly) 7AM to 9PM for 3 consecutive years just for the college entrance exam.

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    12? Back in my home town, 12 is when you compile your contest results into a CV in order to apply for NFLS (1% acceptance rate in 1999...)

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    It's 23:02 Beijing time, and I've just finished sacrificing myself today.

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      It's 7:51 Beijing time. I start sacrificing today's childhood.

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u only know about those who have achieved legendary heights there are ofcourse average and below average CPers there too. Moreover as they have a humongous population u see more LGMs there when compared to other regions.

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    Population?Well,what about the India then,mate?Member count is even more compared to the China(Check country ratings,India has 16th Rank by default)

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Because they're legends

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Lots of practice

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In China, Overcompetition is called 卷 or 内卷, but it's being a positive word from 2 yrs ago. We've many pratice to do CP. Studying early is another factor — I studied Python in 3rd grade, C++ in 4th grade.(Now I'm 7th grade.)

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    Ummm, Is it true all school in China?

    Is cp is culture in your country?

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      There are certainly schools where CP is a school culture, especially among the mathematics circles. I can imagine it being a very common culture in many parts of China.

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      As a Chinese student, I don't think Coding becomes a culture, at least in my city. In China, students always study deeply early, which means many students perform really well in their sphere.

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    Hey why you got many down vote? What's wrong with your information in your comment??

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      maybe chinese in it.

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      1. 卷 or 内卷 has never been a positive word.
      2. It's prohibited to 卷, as double-reduction policy is made.
      3. Ofc U will be downvoted if U say I studied Python in 3rd grade, C++ in 4th grade. I don't like it. It's too early. It's also useless. UR still a newbie.
      4. U should learn basic Maths and English skills before learning any kind of programming language.
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good coaches

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    Really?

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      yes，there are so many Chinese books about CP， not translated into other languages and also a training site https://www.luogu.com.cn/ The translation is bad so it is really hard to read if you are not Chinese also the Chinese kids practice alot

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        The training site includes almost everything， including lists of problems using a particular module and coaching. They go through multiple contests, from only including the local neighborhood to the whole of china.

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        What are some books that Chinese ppl read in order to improve at CP? Also, do they do problems on training sites after they completed a book or read books as they practice?

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Because they are neighbours of India

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    not to all Indians but actually, Indian kids are the complete opposite they usually don't even prove the problem they code and get WA most of the time, BTW most of the cheaters in CF are Indian (not offensive to Indians who are not like this)

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      There might be some bias where Indians cheat (in the words of my cousin from India: If it's not illegal it's okay), but there are just so many Indian CPers too that there are naturally going to be more cheaters from India.

      Clarification: I do not support the words of my cousin, that was just to prove a point.

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        The reason most Indians cheat is that the society here(and the parents) mostly are obsessed with the numerical quantification of the results, i.e. the marks on the result card, and not the actual learning.

        Even though their intention might be to attain a good career, somewhere along the way, they forget what actually matters, and the same translates to just somehow getting high ratings, no matter the way.

        I have literally seen parents appreciating it when their child tells them that they were able to solve some problem in some random school exam by outsmarting the invigilator. Most of them just care about the marks!!!

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Because they practice 40 hours a day.

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extra hours after extra hours. And it's not necessarily good. I wonder how many of them are severely burned out by the end of the school

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    Yes, you're right. The thing is, there is always someone talented and needing less time to have a rest. In a school, there are generally many students learning it at first. As you say, learning too hard is not necessarily good, but the students who are the most talented or who can suffer the great pain when studying will be instructed by better teachers. Sometimes they even interrupt other subjects and only study CP day and night for the (most important) competition. These students are "who are legend".

    Meanwhile, the other students who has "severely burned out" stop learning it or spend less time learning it. They only see CP as a hobby and they are the majority.

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they eat a lot of chocolate

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why 6 is afraid of 7????

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    because 7 ate 9. hope you realise that this question is meaningless.

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I am a Chinese kid. How to be legend at CP?

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    The moon shines, thank the moon.

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    The moon shines, thank the moon.

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    Already you are ...

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      LHQing just won the "Chinese National Olympiad in Informatics in Provinces" of Jiangxi Province ...

      As a Chinese kid , I've been getting pressure of surrounded by people over master.

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    The moon shines, thank the moon.

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      What does it mean "the moon shines thank the moon", not a native.

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        It is some meme spread recently in Chinese informatics olympiad community, and it actually has no meaning.

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          It has a meaning. Moon worshippers often say "月亮好闪，拜谢月亮。". So if you directly translate it into English, it is "The moon shines, thank the moon.".

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    The mooncake goodeat, thank the mooncake.

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    The moon shines, thank the moon.

    Also thank LHQing.

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because that if someone don't get the gold medal in IOI(International Olympiad in Informatic,IOI) before he turns three years old,he will have no face to continue living.

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I am a Chinese kid. In China, if someone don't get first prize of program design level certification, he will no longer learn CP. Therefore, a school generally has many students studying CP, and every school always has strong students.

That is to say, China has an advantage in population.

Besides, many schools give their students a lot of exercises in order to make their students rank higher in their provinces. It's worth noting that students who rank high in the current province can participate in the national finals. In China, if you win a medal in the national final, you can reduce the difficulty of going to college.

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A factor is that Chinese kids who get Au or Ag in NOI(Chinese National Olympiad in Informatics) can get greater advantages than others in "National College Entrance Examination".

Most of them want to enter the top university such as PKU and THU.

Even if Ministry of Education of China is weakening their advantages in this regard , they're still crazy about it.(Include me one year ago.But unfortunately I am a loser)

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Depends on how you define legend.

If you count legends as something like Codeforces LGM, then it is extra hours, full-time training, staying up late, that sort of thing. A large percentage of them are not perfectly healthy — Anxiety, depression, sleeping disorder, obesity, etc. Thus I don't actively advice anyone to imitate them. (But if you think it's worth it, I won't try to stop you.)

If you mean lower levels, then it can be attributed to the large population and the low starting age. Starting before high school certainly gives off some advantage. But this advantage is not decisive and is possible to compensate with talent or practice.

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    Maybe you are right. But as I have seen tourist in the screen, he doesn't seem to be in bad health. Maybe he is an exception.

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    What about your level? What does it take?

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      I am also thinking

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        • I started at grade 6, age 11.
        • I had 1 month of full time training before the provincial team selection this year, and 2 months before the national contest.
        • Other than the full-time training period, my practice time averages down to around 2.5 hours per day.
        • After the national contest this year (ended on August 25), I reduced my CP practice time (for school courses) to less than 30 minutes per day.
        • I have a normal 8 hour sleep. I have a slight eyesight problem, but that's mostly caused by sitting improperly when doing school homework. Other than that, no more problems — I am fit, and I have a perfect mental health state.
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    UR right.

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maybe survivorship bias？

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In order to enter the top universities in China, we students must practise hard. And the number of excellent students is becoming larger and larger, but the number of top universities can hardly increase, so we must train more harder.

Another reason is the problems in CNOI are harder and harder these years in order to choose little top students from many excellent students. I think CNOI is much harder than IOI.

And there are many CPers of high levels around us. We can learn from them to become stronger.

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    Another reason is that you won't know your score during the contest in most of CNOI contests. If you are not of high levels, there's a risk that you may think your score is passable after a contest but get a low score at last because of little mistakes in an important contest. A friend of mine, who is of medium levels, just got 76 points in NOIP because the sample tests are weak. Another friend of mine, who is of high levels, got a passable score although he lost 130 points because he solved all the problems except the last problem and got a high score on the last problem. It pushes us to work hard.

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Why orzdevinwang is legend at CP?

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I only learnt the C of coding at grade 11. Sed me

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Interesting !!!

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Say something Kevin114514

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Hey orzdevinwang

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