nchn27's blog

By nchn27, history, 3 weeks ago, In English,

Hello Everyone,

I write a mixture of silly and serious blogs, but my most recent blog was unique. Here it is:


Hello Everyone,

I am an American coder who lives on the east coast. Recent contest times have made it hard for me aswell as other American coders to partipate in recent codeforce contests, which hurts my ability to climb the ladder. I speak for a large portion of the community in that codeforce contest times are inconveniently placed at periods in which the western hemisphere is asleep. I am aware that codeforces is a Russian website and a portion of the community lives in Europe/Russia/Asia, but a time in which both parties could attend and participate contests would be great.

Thanks, nchn27


It had a bit of a meme factor but it still illustrated a reasonable opinion, getting +30 score.

Okay, then what's so unique about this blog?

Somebody else wrote it before me. My friend shared his frustrations last month during a period of American contest-dryness, and the blog you see from me now is literally a copy of his. But what happened to his blog? -11 score and only two comments, one of which was mine.

Meanwhile, my blog scored much better and got replies from grandmasters.

Clearly, there is an underlying factor determining the merit of our opinions — it isn't the inherent content, which is identical. If you couldn't tell already, it's the color. Most likely, my friend was put off as a frustrated gray, while I (a purple) was seen as putting forth at least a somewhat defensible argument. To add to that, oranges and reds, if you also think that my opinion is not respectable due to my color, then you see part of the problem.

I like to think of the ongoing phenomenon as "ratism." As a community, our responsibility is to come with open, welcoming arms and treat others with respect, especially newcomers; I was once as good as gray, and so were you all. We cannot have a twitch-reaction to down-vote upon seeing the color of a user, because behind that gray username is a person who thinks and feels, just like us. Nobody deserves unnecessary harm or criticism. To protect and nurture the CodeForces community we must diligently fight ratism by restraining ourselves and critically thinking if a down-vote is truly worth it.

I personally would feel excluded and demotivated if I was exposed to the toxicity of instant disrespect just for being a newcomer in a bustling community — wouldn't you? Is it a great state of affairs to have a Div1 competitor feeling lucky he hadn't joined CodeForces earlier when weaker and more vulnerable to being put down?

Next time, take it slow before you hit the red downward-pointing arrow. I won't stop you from voting on truly poor content, but next time think more of what your actions could mean and the statement they make on ratism and what the CodeForces community should be.

Thanks,

nchn27 and ajand2003

 
 
 
 
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I appreciate this brother.

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Proposal: do something like reddit where score is hidden for a few hours... to reduce bandwaggon voting.

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In my opinion upvote/downvote is equal to agree/disagree, I don't know why people take it as a grave insult when they get downvoted. I do my best not to be influenced by rating, but I sure don't plan on hesitating every time I downvote so I don't hurt someone's feelings.

Also at times votes can be a bit random.. Your friend's other blog is this, which is basically spam, but it sure got more upvotes than any of these blogs you're talking about..

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    I am neither agreeing nor disagreeing with you, but if this comment were to be made by someone gray, it would be at -30 at this point.

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      3 weeks ago, # ^ |
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      Just like the blog he linked is at -30 at this point because it was made by someone gray... OH WAIT IT'S AT +49.

      Stop making predictions about fictional events.

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Welcome to codeforces!

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Apart from the upvote/downvote tendency based on author's rating, this also presents a problem with how bad the blogging system is.

The only way to know about new posts is to look at "Recent actions", which both has limited number of posts and has absolutely zero information on how many upvotes/downvotes and comments there are. The former makes it quite easy to miss some contest announcements from other platforms if you don't visit CF frequently enough. The latter is the reason why people would be more inclined to read a post from highly rated authors.

Also, don't get me started on the "Top" feature. That's a prime example of how to turn a good idea into a disaster with terrible implementation.

By the way nchn27, next time don't use big bold text for the whole post. The content is reasonable but the formatting makes it sound like you're scolding at your audience.

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    3 weeks ago, # ^ |
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    You can use my site to know only about new posts: it saves your last visit time and shows only blogs/comments, which were posted during this period of time

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Oh, so that's why I always get downvoted....

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Everyone is subconsciously biased towards the people they respect, red coders are respected by everyone and grey coders are least respected on codeforces, so this is natural. There is nothing we can do for that. Low rated people(which includes me) should focus on learning and improving rather than upvotes/downvotes which don't matter anyway.

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I'm downvoting this for a stupid title xD

Yeah, there is ratism. That's nothing new. I downvote red people too though.

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Dude, you have your right to post, we have our rights to downvote... Your experiment isn't quite fair, as on CF you have 95 friends, while ajand2003 only has 9 friends. On ratism, it is general that higher rated people have higher chance to give valuable opinion. Colors are like a title. You don't point at a doctor and complain that people listen to him but not you. Stop linking ratism into something like bullying or discrimination or what. You dont ask others to respect you. You gain them.