PLAYBOy_malik's blog

By PLAYBOy_malik, 6 weeks ago, In English

(Please do not miss the last heading of the blog)

Oh boy I'm actually writing this! This might break the record for the most downvoted blog on codeforces.

"I'm really sad and frustrated that I couldn't get an intern despite being blue/purple/orange on CF and years of hardwork"

Just hang in there bro, this is not the end of the world, hardwork never goes unrewarded. Sooner or later, you will get the success that you deserve, and here's the benefit of all this, the harder it is to achieve, the more satisfying and accomplishing it feels. I know that the intern season can be really tough both physically and emotionally but maintaining your calm in such situations is all that matters in the end and just never forget — "Apna Time Aayega" (Translation: Our time will come).

"Why do these companies hire so many girls even when boys are better at coding?"

This is called Diversity Hiring, it is not only a welfare initiative for the girls by providing them opportunities and creating a safe working environment for them, but it also is beneficial to the company itself. I mean just look at the successful companies they're all doing it and they're pretty successful.

"But how can hiring less-skilled candidates be beneficial to the company?"

There are a lot of things that are required in a company other than just raw skills. For example, consider 2 teams one has 60 grandmasters and one has 55 grandmasters and 5 female candidates. Obviously the second team will perform better because in the first team the 5 extra grandmasters are more or less redundant, but the 5 girls in the other team can provide newer perspective, impart more creativity to the team and hence improve the overall efficiency and quality.

"Ok even if I agree that diversity is better for the company, it is still unfair to skilled guys like me"

Sorry to say but no it's not. Diversity hiring is prominent mostly in really big companies and from what I've noticed, the companies that indulge in this, hire more candidates than usual. Yes they most probably increase the number of roles for the sake of diversity. Obviously a huge successful company won't run without enough skilled employees. So if there were no diversity hiring, they would just hire less people and you still won't get the role if you didn't get it now. Really sad for you, but it is what it is.

"You're just talking bullshit, I think it's a casting couch situation, thatswhy they hire so many girls"

This is so wrong that I can't even begin to explain. I understand that you're saying this just to vent out your frustration but it is very demeaning to the girls that are actually hired. Imagine if your sister or girlfriend or wife was hired in Google or Adobe or GS and people start saying that she must've had sex with the recruiter for the role. It's very demeaning and also unnecessary. Moreover, there are just too many people who work above the recruiters who scrutinize their work and there's no way they'd get away with something like this on such huge scale.

"But those girls stole my opportunity, I think they deserve to be punished"

Two main things:-

  • As I said earlier as well, if there were no diversity hiring, companies would just hire less and you still won't get the role

  • Even if you had gotten the role if not for the girls, it's still not their fault, they can't even choose to let go of their roles for you, and even if they could, why would they? Tell me, if you were a girl, would you just leave opportunities cuz it's wrong to the boys? They didn't ask for any of it, it's totally not their fault.

"But girls that are less-skilled than me are making fun of me because they got a google intern and I didn't"

Ok yes, this time you're right, ideally no one should make fun of anyone or talk condescendingly to them, so if they're doing this to you, it's a really bitch move on their part. (Although if you stoop down to their level and take some kind of revenge, how are you any better? (But then again, that's your choice, not my concern))

"Ok I understand everything you said but if google had to shortlist only girls, why didn't it call it a diversity hiring"

First of all I'm not sure about this one but I have a few explanations and one or more of them might be correct-

  • Calling it a diversity hiring instead of a normal hiring would in a way demotivate the girls that they hire (they'd think that they got the role out of pity)

  • When the offcampus test took place, Google was also hiring oncampus at several colleges at the same time. It is possible that when the test result came, Google must've already reached the required number of male candidates from the oncampus hirings.

"Yeah? And what about the thousands of boys it demotivated by rejecting them?"

Again, if Google hadn't reached the requried number of male candidates from the oncampus hirings, you would've gotten a chance. Moreover, if they had reached the required number of female candidates as well, they would've shortlisted absolutely 0 candidates from offcampus test, so most probably, this was just bad luck. Sorry.

"Ok Mr. I-Know-Everything, I know what this is, you're a simp trying to get female attention from this blog!"

Nope. I knew that you'd say this and that's exactly why I wrote this from a fake ID, the girls don't even know who I am, so how will I get their attention anyway? I think I took your only weapon, so if you wanna send me any death-threats just write them in the comment section below or just send me a personal message. Thank you.

 
 
 
 
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the harder it is to achieve, the more satisfying and accomplishing it feels

Not always true. Sometimes after reaching the goal you realise it wasn't even worth the slog.

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His points are right. Why people are downvoting him?

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    You just walked into a death trap lol, now you're also gonna get super downvoted.

    Btw, I knew it since before I started writing the blog. As I wrote in the blog, "This might break the record for the most downvoted blog on codeforces."

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Here is why this whole blog wrong and yet since there are a few points that I agree with I am going to upvote it.

Firstly, did you just compare 5 Grandmasters with 5 pupils ( or even experts for the matter)? Are you kidding me? Are you telling me 5 girls (or even 5 boys of lower level) can give a whole new perspective that a freaking GM wouldn't have thought of? I bluntly disagree. If the 5 extra grandmasters are redundant, 55 = 60 and that's the end of it... In no way can we assure the second team performing better.

I agree that the girl does not deserve to be punished. The company does. It is a rather stupid idea to conduct diversity hiring and not give information about the same. Unless it was informed prior to the scheduled challenges/interviews the company shouldn't be doing this. That is just a stupid waste of resources if you aren't even going to consider guys.

I don't think anybody is immature enough to be making fun of other people just because he/she got an internship or offer and somebody else doesn't. So I really don't understand why that is a point there...

Here is what I do agree with:

  1. Passing around comments like "She slept with the recruiter" is douchey and nobody with self-respect would do that because even if there is a remote chance of them getting to the same position, they would invariably end up imagining people saying similar things about them.
  2. Diversity hiring is a good thing. People need diversity simply because there are different types of people. Although women in the industry isn't a far fetched dream anymore, I do think companies would benefit from diversity hirings PROVIDED THEY INFORM THE SAME BEFORE-HAND.

BOTTOM-LINE: I STRONGLY SUPPORT DIVERSITY HIRING BUT TALENT COMES FIRST. Preference can be given to the female candidate when she is at least an expert, not when she is a pupil and the rejected candidate was a candidate master. I do appreciate you coming out in support of women. But this is the wrong cause! I am sorry.

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    The work in a company is not only like competitive programming. Maybe it's about improving the user experience or something like that, 1 newbie girl can have ideas regarding those which maybe even 10 male legendary grandmasters can't think of.

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      Please shut the fuck up and apply such kind of logics to your own life only. They really stink .

      They have rejected every guy

      Do you hear it SIMP ??

      EVERY INDAIN GUY FROM TOP CP-PLAYER TO A SUCCESSFUL GSOC CANDIDATE HAS BEEN REJECTED IN THIS GOOGLE CODING TEST FOR INTERNSHIP

      IF YOUR FUCKING NEWBIE GIRL IS SO TALENTED, THEY SHOULD HAVE SELECTED EQUAL NUMBER OF FUCKING NEWBIE BIYS AS WELL

      I THOUGH SUSHANT GUPTA IS THE BIGGEST SIMP OF CODEFORCES , BUT NO , YOU HAVE EVEN SURPASSED HIM

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        As I said earlier too, google already selected a lot of very talented male candidates from tier-1 and tier-2 colleges onsite, a lot of my male friends from tier-1 and 2 colleges have been selected for google intern. Maybe they just needed more girls and not more boys.

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          Ummm.... DIVERSITY HIRING!!

          Who decides what kind of candidate comes under this DIVERSITY HIRING program?

          click bait

          why are women considered as a DIVERSITY?

          why are not men from tier-3 colleges considered as a DIVERSITY?

          are not these two groups lacking opportunities on similar scale?

          open this when you really feel you can digest it

          Is it easier to show off hiring pupils women is being more diverse?

          hmm
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        Also, simps do it in hopes of impressing girls, but I'm a fake ID, so you can't use that weapon on me lol

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      I agree. But why have a problem solving/ coding interview if you want the candidate to know HTML/CSS? When there is a set of parameters decided for judgement, the candidates should be judged based on that.

      This is pretty much like saying we selected a country level athletics champion in the National Cricket team because he will be a great waterboy.

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        Very basic coding skill must've been the minimum requirement for the company. Like "get at least 1 test case passed out of the 25 total test cases in the 2 questions". Out of the people who fulfill this, they'll refine based on the other things, they never said that 200/200 guarantees your way to the shortlist, did they?

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Let me just quote a simple scenario.

A company named $$$X$$$ came, and offered an role. Everything is cool and normal. They have a test, and you are well prepared for it. The test goes well, you solve all the problems. 200/200. You're confident you'll get a chance for an interview.

The result comes and boom you're not even shortlisted.

One Question: Why did you waste my time ?


You don't understand that people are not really against company hiring girls. People are mad about doing fake promises to them. If you have a selection criteria based on diversity, Mention It.

If you already have enough male candidates to fill the pool. Mention it.

If I can't get selected even if I get an 100%. Mention It.

Don't give false expectations.

Don't waste people's time.

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    Being secretive about rejection reasons is to avoid people from getting demotivated. If they give the correct reason to everyone, they'll have to tell a lot of people that "You are bad at coding and we don't want you in the company". By being secretive, they are doing good to everyone so they can all assume that there might have been some reason due to which I didn't get selected and it has nothing to do with me being unskilled.

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      "You're bad at coding and we don't want you in the company"

      Yeah my cat just ran over the keyboard and I got every question accepted.

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        But then there are other people who couldn't get both the questions accepted, is it ok to tell them that they suck? That's the whole point of being secretive, they never tell anyone what went wrong.

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Calling it a diversity hiring instead of a normal hiring would in a way demotivate the girls that they hire (they'd think that they got the role out of pity)

What? So they lie to not 'demotivate' women? I would argue that by doing that they caused even more embarrassment to the women coding community, the undue ridicule and mockery that the women are getting because of this whole incident is way more than the 'demotivation' they might have felt, and in any case, upliftment programs everywhere are generally seen as a step towards diversity and not as a sign of weakness for those being uplifted.

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    I disagree, being an IITian, I have seen a lot of condescending behaviour against reserved candidates even if they prove to be equally or even more talented. Inside the college, everyone thinks less of them and they can't even disagree with that. Nobody sees it as a step towards their upliftment, it actually increases the discrimination against them.

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      I cannot talk about the decisions people around you are making regarding upliftment, but in any case, my original point stands, i.e. EVEN IF that there would be prejudice, still this decision to not a make their criteria public is a disaster. Being biased and then just hoping that no one would notice is the worst way of executing things.

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        There will come a day when women won't need diversity hiring. How will they shut down a yearly thing after that? Just like reservation tbh, there's no way to decrease it even after the minority group gets properly uplifted.

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          Women have been systemically oppressed for centuries, reverting those things will take a long long time so the scenario you are talking is too far away for us to consider right now, all this is besides the point though. Whatever google decided to do, it should not have been hiding this in the selection process, because now everyone leaves this situation a loser. A discussion on anything other than the fact that they hid things(like on the idea of reservation itself) is exhaustive and pointless in this context.

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"(they'd think that they got the role out of pity)" but they DID get it out of pity !!! And they know it too! why ignore the elephant in the room ?

And if you are going to hire a girl with 5/200 why conduct an online test, why not call them for an inerview right away? why waste our time. And if they are going to be sexist (this IS sexist, as per the definition of "sexist") , why not be vocal about it? And just be expressive about it, are they ashamed of it? And why lie about "non discrimination on basis of gender" in their career's page ?

I have nothing against the girls who got hired, it's not their fault and regarding the company, I am not sure about the legal obligations, but it's definitely stupid ,compromising on the quality to appease people, if they want to encourage women in programming, they should rather organize camps and educate them or perhaps train them , instead of just giving them a job which they are not ready for.

I think it's shortsighted and even a bit cruel to girls, because once they are in the team and they realize they don't fit in, and realize they don't posses the required skills, they will not be able to progress in their career. And since they got in through a reservation policy, their team mates hold a lower opinion of her (it is inevitable), and eventually no one is happy. And for girls who actually got in through talent, it is even worse, even if she is talented, her skill is not appreciated and people do assume that she got in through the reservation policy.

So women who got in through reservation will not be able to progress in career and will not be taken seriously, and women who got in through merit would also not be able to progress in career, reservation policies like these are the reason why women are not taken seriously in tech field, I would say it's careless and irresponsible on google's part to jeopardize a girl's career just to maintain their image.

And AFAIK,I don't think google's intention is to help women, if it was there are more genuine solutions, like helping them learn and providing free education, but several govts provide tax benefits for higher women ratio, so this "diversity hiring" is a stunt to recieve those benefits.

It's always better to teach a person how to catch fish, rather than just give him one.

To sum up, this doesn't solve the problem but rather creates more problems, and ultimately no one is happy.

But one thng is for sure, Google has always been the flag bearer of quality, that is exactly why it has been a dream company, though there are companies that pay higher, but this incident tarnished google's image and men who are actually talented would generally prefer to go to companies that recruit through merit.

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    Honestly I've seen that the system indeed works. The girls from my year got internships, so the girls from juniors are more motivated towards coding and they even reach out to me help, some are actually doing good now. If no one had gotten an internship from the girls, the junior girls would've started looking for alternate ways like preparing for UPSC or IES etc

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      exactly, that is why it's bad, google intentionally hides the reality to encourage women. There are many entry level women programmers in google, but what about senior positions ? it is not even a fraction, because google just wants to maintain it's image, so women are forced to stick with entry level jobs in google, I personally know women who are stuck with L4 level even in their 40's! because no one inside the company takes them seriously! From a girl's perspective, I think it would be terrible and humiliating to know that people around you don't take you seriously. As I said, reservations like these are the reason why women are NOT taken seriously.

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        But the system works! I know girls who are blue and purple because of this, give a few years, they'll start making it to the top as well.

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          Exactly, why not red and orange ? the number of women in DIV 1 is not even a fraction. Shall we have reservation in codeforces as well?

          By encouraging mediocrity, they are doing more damage than good, don't you think creating a better learning environment would be a win win situation for everyone ?

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            They'll get there someday. You sire aren't red either, you shouldn't get any jobs is what you're suggesting?

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              Lol,by encouraging mediocrity? and by not genuinely helping them ? And regarding your comment on my "color", I'll get there someday too! but I will definitely get there because I don't expect freebies and have my own self respect motivating me

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                Yes.

                Number of girls on codeforces is very less to begin with. How can there be a lot of those in div 1. That's just basic probability.

                I mean you're so dumb that you'll definitely never ever make it to purple either. Wanna bet?

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                  Now why are you unnecessarily attacking me personally? I was only discussing about the issue

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                  Prove him wrong buddy, a123z. Reply back on this thread when you're purple. :)

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                  I mean yes man, that's what a bet means.

                  Also don't reply here, it won't show up in recent actions... Just screenshot this and write a new blog, but then, that's never gonna happen right?

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      Actually this System turn a great IAS officer in mediocre Software Engineer.

      Anyway, your intention of writing this post seems clear after this comment. You just want more and more junior girls coming to you for help. :)

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        No

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        Believe me, when you're orange, girls from all over the country come to you for help, I mean, they somehow find me on Facebook and my non-friend-inbox is like full of guys and girls from everywhere. So what you're saying is like giving a penny to a banker. (I said banker cuz I'm always surrounded by money but none of it is mine)

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          Thanks, you motivate me to become a master. :)

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            Lol as if motivation was the only thing you were lacking xD

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              Yes it's the only things, I have no reasons to continue CP and practice, it, company seems to value gender and rote learning of Leetcode and GFG question more.

              And i better know i can't be more than master, so can win good prize money by CP.

              And neither have any high rated friends, that can make me zealous with his ratings.

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                I don't do CP for money or job or respect or texts from random girls, I do it because I enjoy it.

                I'd still be doing it even if it becomes illegal in India. So I don't think, motivation is the only thing that you're lacking.

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                  If you say interest that i lack then yes.

                  If you say time, then somewhat yes.

                  If you say i don't value CP skill more, then also yes

                  But If you means skill or talent, then it's hardly takes 3 months if i start regular practice from now.

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                  Yes, he means talent and skill.

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Write this illogical post on LinkedIn, You can attract more girls and get more likes by Stupid peoples pseudo feminist.

This is Codeforces, people here can better understand logic and your intention.

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    maths.noob But I think you are unable to understand his intention. He just want you to understand the current situation and why can't you just try to understand his perspective.

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    The subject is not logical. It is driven by the emotion of failure and rejection. How can you expect that logic can resolve it? I think codeforces is the worst place to discuss this. You may want to take this out of here.

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      You seems to be his alt.

      Anyway, 100+ people downvote this post, because it just a trash.

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        Biased butthurt crybaby readers. I can write a trash post with hundreds of upvotes.

        Just gotta say something like "Talented boys should get jobs instead of untalented girls" and bam a rain of upvotes.

        The problem is that — truth is bitter.

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          You got downvote, because you ignore why people actually complain.

          Why not Google do separate female hiring challenge, like Amazon??

          Why don't they mention Females preferred??

          How on earth, a company claim unbiased by gender and do it opposite, and some stupid think we should support it??

          Now, you write all unrelated point to support this unfair hiring practice.

          You are biased not they, your motive of writing post, looks same as stupid females on LinkedIn, who without knowing anything just relate this unethical hiring practice with diversity hiring.

          No one support stupidity, no matter whether you are master or GrandMaster,

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        Also, all of my alts are orange.

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    Calls my post illogical but doesn't point out what's illogical. Classic.

    Also, if I were trying to attract girls. Why won't I use my real ID? Who will they be attracted to, now that they don't even know who's behind this account?

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The original id of the OP is demoralizer. A subtle look at the submissions of both accounts help.