mblazev's blog

By mblazev, history, 7 weeks ago, In English

It has come to my attention that our friend, master Daniil rotavirus Zashikhin has been banned from codeforces. Since I am aware of the ostensible rationale for the ban, I am sure it is result of a deep misunderstanding. Knowing Daniil I am absolutely sure he is not racist; he was merely making a lighthearted remark which was unfortunately taken too seriously by ecnerwala. I think that it is a great loss to ban jokers like him. Such unique people contribute to making this place more vibrant and charming so I hope codeforces will reconsider this ban.

 
 
 
 
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Also, Codeforces blogs are incredibly boring without him :(

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    Got it. True

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    Boring is good. I want my CP sites to stick to boring technical stuff.

    Otherwise the next thing you know, people will be arguing whether the US IOI team was imported from china or taiwan and then some random bolixin will get butt hurt that codeforces even recognizes taiwan as a country and start writing bots to spam and cripple the site. Then we'll all have to graduate. (True story, happened to my waifu)

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      bruh your pfp lol... and your comment. Coincidence or not? (Okay yeah just read the last line)

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What on earth can you even say to get banned from Codeforces? If it’s appropriate could you please give a little more context?

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    He was remarking, in a lighthearted fashion, on the fact that Asian-Americans so deeply devoted to academics, much more so than majority of Americans. ecnerwala took the "bait" seriously and so Daniil poked fun at him by saying

    if a hamster was born in aquarium does it become a fish

    which led to him being banned.

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      How is that ban-worthy? o_O

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      There's a significant difference between joking and being a rasicst. Let rotavirus ponder on that since he has a lot of time to think about his actions (ban goes brrrr).

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      I think many people misunderstand what racism is. Let me show an example. Which of the three sentences are racist?

      • Kill Jews
      • Don't hire black
      • Andrew is Chinese

      Actually, only the first two! The third is just a fact. rotavirus has been banned for the third and must be unbanned.

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        man be spitting facts

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        It sure wasn't as simple and straight as you are making it to be. Ecnerwala was right in calling him out. As already pointed out by someone else, [he should have been banned long ago].(https://codeforces.com/blog/entry/61061?#comment-449747). He is one of the most disgusting and racist human being I have ever seen.

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        How on earth do you consider the thrid as a fact? If he was born and raised in the USA, who are you to tell that he is not American?

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          Those two statements don't contradict each other.

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          You can be both American and Chinese.

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          Your mistake is assuming that those statements are mutually exclusive.

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    According to Rotavirus, Asian Americans are not real Americans.

    He said: "if a hamster was born in aquarium does it become a fish".

    He said he dislikes the United States of America as most of their IOI contestants are of Asian descent. (He said: "USA cant produce the decent ioi participants so they import them from Chinese blood").

    Ecnerwala got offended by that

    That's why he got banned...

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      Your point would hold more value if you didn't post it hiding behind an alt.

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        Check your language.

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        Why does it matter? He is a disgusting racist who got banned and rightfully so.

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        Is that it? rotavirus cannot be satisfied by a new alt account to continue dumping trash on codeforces and has to do it on his old account?

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          Nah this isn't rotavirus, it's some other guy. Also my point was moreso that people who comment using a throwaway account, usually because they want to avoid getting downvoted (I don't really understand why this affects it but it's what I've been told) are stupid.

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I have to disagree. Frankly, it's exhausting to see someone constantly "troll" and stir up controversy in the comments. I think a ban is entirely appropriate, especially for someone who has been warned and muted countless times.

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No,I think its well deserved , theres a difference between making a light hearted joke and being offensive then using "i am just troll XD lul why you so serious" as an argument to shrug off everything when ppl start to react badly

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Nah, even from a creativity standpoint, it takes like two brain cells to say the opposite of the popular opinion, which are what most of his comments boil down to.

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I'm sorry, but this sounds like a classic case of Schrodinger's asshole.

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n word. I'm not racist btw

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idgaf

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Good to see that rotavirus got banned. He/she deserve that.

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I completely disagree, actually why wasn't he banned when he said https://codeforces.com/blog/entry/61061?#comment-449747 before

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I'm not usually the fan of witch hunting but this guy has surely earned every bit of it himself.

I am sure it is result of a deep misunderstanding. Knowing Daniil I am absolutely sure he is not racist; he was merely making a lighthearted remark which was unfortunately taken too seriously by ecnerwala.

I had to look through you previous comments to determine if you were being serious or not. Then I understood why you were writing this. You must have enjoyed your friend's original jokes a lot. Glad to know that but we don't.

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    I had to look through you previous comments to determine if you were being serious or not. Then I understood why you were writing this. You must have enjoyed your friend's original jokes a lot.

    I was fully transparent about enjoying his original humor, there was no need to go through my comments to ascertain that.

    I was also serious when I said that he is not racist, this is also transparent to anyone who knows Daniil; there is no need to look for ulterior motives behind my post...

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      Not being serious justifies racism?

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        There was no racism because there was no malicious intent behind those messages.

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          Just because he had no malicious intent dosen't justify his actions. Racism is racism..no matter the circumstance or the intent of the person passing racial slurs or comments.

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            You're not making any sense. By your definition even I am racist for reproducing the comment that got him banned.

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              Not making any sense? If you call your friend the N word without meaning it...it is still an insult and racist. If you can't even accept this...then you don't have any idea what racism really is. Try to google the "meaning" of racism :)

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                He did not use a slur so your example is a strawman.

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                  You really wanna debate this on technicalities? It DOSEN'T matter if he didn't say any particular slurs... his thought was racist and you gotta accept that... If you can't then there's seriously something wrong with you my man.

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          Man this is hopeless

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          I’d like to address the comments directly above this one.

          We need to get down to the definitions. Looking around at English dictionaries, there are two common definitions for “racism”. From Merriam-Webster:

          1. a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

          2. a: the systemic oppression of a racial group to the social, economic, and political advantage of another b: a political or social system founded on racism and designed to execute its principles

          We need to be clear with what we mean when we say racism. As context for all the international users on Codeforces, the Leftist rhetoric of the West has taken advantage of this ambiguous definition. I am not here to comment on politics, but regardless of what you choose to believe, don't mix up these definitions of racism.

          The former is what rotavirus has demonstrated (regardless of whether he is joking). He has not argued for latter (as far as I can tell). The former is absolutely not a mortal sin as some have made it out to be.

          P.S. I must also add that the meaning of “race” differs across ideologies. Even though Liberalism is on its last legs in the West, it is the context of my comment.

          Edit: Sorry for all the edits. I may have not made it clear that this comment is not a defense of rotavirus. It addresses solely the comments above.

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            I don't know why I read it in Ben Shapiro voice.

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      In case you still don't get it, let me say it one more time. We don't give a shit about what you think of your friend. If he wants to join a society, he has to follow its rule. Being unintentional doesn't exempt you from the consequence of your stupid action.

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        Come on dude, it is completely transparent to anyone, including you and ecnerwala, what the real intention behind those messages was. Yet he decided to take offense and you are now pretending that humor is socially unacceptable.

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          "Humour" shouldn't target someones race, creed, caste or color. That is plain racism and that't the reason why he got banned.

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          I give up. You win. I'd better go solve some problem.

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          I understand what you think. You and your racist friend think writing these messages are funny and cool.

          To Asian American who face racism in US, e.g. people got shouted in the face "go back to China", beaten for looking somewhat Chinese, writing what essential means "you are never American" is racist.

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Totally agree. #JusticeForRotavirus

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I think he/she deserved it.

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Ah! I was thinking why havent I seen a comment from sir danill since a week. Thanks, I have my answer now

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Lighthearted remark? Rascism should not be tolerated anywhere, especially on global community platforms like Codeforces. rotavirus is by far the biggest rascist I have met online.. so I believe that he fully deserves this ban.

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rotavirus was a bit of a prick. Glad he's banned

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I wonder if he would've been banned if it was some random cyan instead of ecnerwala.

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    It's irrelevant how it happened. It was definitely deserved. It being ecnerwala just made it higher profile. Obviously more people paid attention to it.

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    Go back to sleep.

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    Then it would have been "dank humour" and the cyan would be downvoted off the face of the Earth if he/she tried to retaliate. Gotta say though, can't really complain about higher rated people getting better treatment on a platform meant for coding contests.

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Can someone link the related blog post or comment? I want to see it.

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TBH if you think he did nothing wrong, there is definitely something wrong with you.

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I lost a lot of respect for codeforces today. Banning someone for a simple joke.

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People are so intolerant these days. Cannot take a joke lightly.

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we got rid of rotavirus instead of coronavirus. rest in peace our beloved rotavirus.

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Just curious, has codeforces banned any of the accounts before?

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Does Ban on cf means only ban on commenting powers or totally not allowed to login at all

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Like seriously? He got banned just because of a comment and cheaters are exploiting the loopholes everyday and still roaming free?

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I would rather have this site be a safe place for opinions where people can grow and improve together as a community. So gg to Codeforces for taking the trash out

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    What is so unsafe about some random internet troll uttering some bullshit? Or do you only consider opinions you agree with as safe and all others as unsafe which in turn shall be banned? I see nothing but plain old authoritarian thinking here.

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      nothing unsafe about how he tried to discredit a whole community from their identity? And google what authoritarian is ffs

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        For your convenience authoritarian means, "favouring or enforcing strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom." In this case Codeforces is the authority here. I would like to quote you here, "So gg to Codeforces for taking the trash out." Here Codeforces has taken out an opinion which they didn't like. Not only that, Codeforces has also enforced a ban as a punishment which was done as a measure to ensure strict obedience to their kind of thinking. Now I do know that Codeforces as a private entity has the right to do so. But I am not talking about legal issues here. I am strictly speaking about your stance. You are clearly in favor of the decision of Codeforces. And the decision in itself is authoritarian. Which makes your thinking authoritarian too.

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He doesn't watch animes So we don't need rotavirus.

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His handle is also racist. it's rotavirus, why not rotabacteria :3

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His comment was actually rude. No doubt anyone would take it seriously.

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FreeRota

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NormieForces

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He is not american (nor from a country with big racist history and ongoing racism problems) I don't think he has as much emotional attachment to the things he have said as many americans have. So I think ban is not appropriate in this context. #JusticeForRotavirus

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    If only there was a term for having ones' rights determined through their country of origin...

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      Your country of origin matters a lot when it comes to determining what you find good or bad. Things that are no go zone for people with particular history won't be no go zone for everyone else. What he said may be ban worthy for americans. But from his side he just thought it a joke which people of other countries won't find ban worthy offense unless they are obsessed with american/western media as it shapes their viewpoints. I think deleting his comment was enough. CF is international community and america represents only 4.25% of world population and also a minority of people in cf. I don't think it would be fair to judge offensiveness only based on what americans feel about it. Remember many things americans will consider their right and funny but would be considered offensive by people of other countries.(i.e. making fun of religions is considered funny in western countries but is considered offensive in most muslim countries)

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        But if I started spouting Nazi propaganda, I would indisputably get banned, despite Jews, homosexuals, physically/mentally disabled, and other groups targeted by the Fascists representing only a small fraction of the Codeforces community.

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        Indians

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I Think MikeMirzayanov and other Headquarters Know more than us and they never block anyone for no reason and warn them several times before that, so it is better to ignore this issue.

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Please don't unban rotavirus.

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So , basically he was banned because ecnerwala doesn't have sense of humor..

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You reap what you sow.

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When Indians are defamed in every second blog on codeforces then codeforces doesnot take any action like making fun of problem/question but when it was a joking remark from rotavirus to a particular country he got banned,isn't this hypocrisy??. Now i will get downvoted ,plz go ahead i am negative contribution anyway it won't affect me.

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How do you know he is banned?

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mblazev It's one thing when you troll your friends in your social circle and it's considered "a lighthearted remark". Obviously, you don't expect everyone on the internet to take his "lighthearted remark" the same way you do. Was the comment racist? Maybe, maybe not. But it's obviously controversial, so you don't want to put it out there and risk upsetting an entire community of people who wouldn't take the comment as "a lighthearted remark". Looking through the comments of this post it would seem Zashikhin has been warned about such behavior before. Removing the ban wouldn't reflect well on Codeforces and its values, as trying to mitigate his offense doesn't reflect well on you and your values.

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We warned him not once or twice. 21 times(!) for his violations, we put his account in read-only mode. Every time we warned that (quote) In case of repeated violations, more severe penalties may be applied to your account, up to and including blocking.

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    He spams discord servers like this and when he is banned, he comes back with fake accounts. He can do the same here too.

    These internet trolls survive on one thing : "Attention". Be it upvotes or downvotes, they will continue trolling as long as they get attention.

    Getting marked for "repeated violations" should decrease the absolute value of upvotes/downvotes they get until they are finally banned. They will stop as soon as they feel like other people simply don't care about their opinions.

    Imagine writing offensive things intentionally, but getting only 5-10 downvotes. You'll lose motivation to write offensive things next time because apparently no one cares.

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      Are you the same guy who said https://codeforces.com/blog/entry/91767?#comment-803974 ?? Also trolling on alt is no fun :'(

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      Not everybody is hungry for contribution like you.

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        I don't understand how you came to this "hunger for contribution" conclusion.

        Please carefully read again what I have written in my above comment.

        "Attention"!="Contribution".

        These internet trolls only troll people for the sake of attention. Having 100s of upvotes OR DOWNVOTES, make them feel "noticed",regardless of whether their contribution score goes up or down.

        Imagine intentionally writing something bad to trigger people and coming back with no way to know whether people got triggered or not. You don't know whether you were successful in triggering or maybe you didn't get noticed. You lose motivation to keep trying.

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This is clearly manufactured by the mass cheaters to draw attention away from their groups. /tinfoil

But seriously, worrying about 1% of mean words is a complete triviality compared to cheating. Focus on one thing.