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By timreizin, 3 years ago, In English

A bit about Ukrainian Olympiad system

Every region in Ukraine has a quotа for every olympiad. Quotа is a number of people region can send to the final(=4th) stage of All-Ukranian olympiad(AUO for short), from where people to tst (Team Selection Test to international olympiads) are chosen. Region must send at least one person fro every grade which participates in AUO(so in informatics 9-11 grades participate, in math 8-11, etc.). Quota for a year x is counted from region rating on years x-1 and x-2. Rating is based on region performance in that year AUO.

About AUO in 2019-2020 and 2020-2021

So in years 2019-2020 and 2020-2021 Ministry of Education and Science of Ukraine decided cancel olympiads(only AUO in 2019-2020) in Ukraine at all. In 2019-2020 3rd stages of olympiads and test to 4th stage were already done, so volunteers just helped to make 4th stage, tst to international olympiads, and participation there(it was done for math and informatics, idk about other subjects). Now I will talk only about informatics.

About UOI in 2020-2021

UOI — Ukrainian Olympiad in Informatics in 2020-2021 didn't have usual system with quota for every region. Thanks to arsijo we had a much better variant. From 3rd stage, for every participating grade(if you are younger that minimal, you participate in it) top40 were taken to 4th stage. And 1 person from each region which doesn't have anybody in that top40. I think there is no need in explaining why this system is better. If you understand Ukrainian you can read more about it here.

About Olympiads in Ukraine this year

So recently Ministry of Education and Science of Ukraine posted an order about olympiads this year. The are going to be in a traditional format. But since in the last two years officially we had no olympiads, all regions now have the same minimal quota(which is 3 for informatics, 4 for math, so here it is 1 person per grade). And also you can qualify to 4th stage through Internet Olympiad(smth like 3 people from grade for informatics). Internet Olympiad in Informatics is an another good story(no stated ml, tl, sometimes even constraints, 1 submission per problem, shit problem quality).

So because of this system there is a very big chance that strong competitors wouldn't be able qualify to UOI 4th stage and tst to IOI(and the same with other subjects). Good job Ministry of Education and Science of Ukraine, good job.

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So, when you say "save ukrainian olympiads" it looks like call for action. And... What do you suggest to do?

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    Idk what we can do. Last year we had olympiad and participated in international ones, despite Ministry of Education and Science of Ukraine said that there is not olympiads and Ukraine won't participate in international. As official olympiads this year are going to be held, we cannot make the same trick(unless they will be canceled again, but in then the same for a next year)(or can we?). Idk about effective mechanisms of dialogue between people and government, but there should be some we can use, to show Ministry of Education and Science that they should change smth, right?

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    I think the only we can do now is sharing information about the problem

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Vlad Putin can help you

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How is a person's region determined? Can they compete in a different region from where they live?

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    As far as I know person region = region of school this person studies in, and person must compete in that region

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    pupil’s region on olympiad is a region of the pupil’s school. pupil can change region only by changing school. it is also problem, because for studying in school in city X, you need residence permit in city X

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      There are also home-school-ers — they can be registered in school from any region. There some schools that offer that services. And same format could give someone legal possibility to represent a other region. But this path is a bureaucratic mess.