As some users have already noticed - contest rating has been added to Codeforces. For now it is in beta too, but it looks very adequate. Here's how it is calculated.
Each person is characterized by their rating, the number R. If person A's rating is RA, and person B's is equal to RB, then the formula
Before updating your rating after the end of the round, for each participant his seed is calculated, that is the place that the participant is expected to take in this competition. Thus, two things are known for each participant - his seed (the expected place) and rank (the actual place). Depending on the difference between these two values, your rating increases or decreases. If the difference is higher, your rating changes more.
There are a few technical points:
- if it is the first contest for a participant, his seed is calculated as 1 + n / 2, where n is the total number of participants in the round;
- changes in the ranking of contestants are multiplied by a correction factor such that allows the sum of ratings of the participants to remain unchanged (before and after the round).
As at TopCoder all users are divided into two divisions: the first (rating over
1500 1650) and the second (rating_ not more than 1500 1650). Not rated users fall into the second division automatically.
Wish you high rating,
Wouldit be possible to see our seed when we look aat our results at the end of a contest?
if i crated a new account how much rating will i have ?? Does rating increases only by taking part in contest.. or solving random problems also increases rating??
my rating didn't started with 1500 ?
A new rating system was created for new users recently. Now, new users go up to 1400 over 6 contests and rating is also increased by performance relative to 1400. See here: https://codeforces.com/blog/entry/77890.
yes i found that lately... it was introduced quite whem i joined...
I am still waiting. It will give us target and motivates us to achieve it.
Division boundary is actually 1700 as described in FAQ.
Can you please update this post with the currently used formulas? I want to know how do you calculate the ratings, is it possible to publish something like this?
How is country rating computed?
How do the system calculate the seed of a participant ?
If a Division 1 person participates in Division 2 competition , obviously "out of competition" , then obviously he/she will not figure in rank list , but will the RATING change based on performance or not ???
Rating for out of competition participants does not change.
I believe he meant this: Does the performance of out-of-competition guys effect the changes in the rating of the Div2 guys?
No. All the rating changes will be the same as if the "out of competition" guys didn't participate at all.
Could you please provide more data with final standings of a contest? If we had at least rating before and after the contest, it would be quite comfortable. Currently it's hard to download these values.
why there is no overall rank based on ratings.
Is this what you mean?
I think rank should be displayed on homepage.
i suggest u update the border of Div-1 and Div-2 to 1700.
EDIT: i was just trying to help. i dont think this post should have got so many downvotes!
I think you got the down votes because you asked Mike to change the rules of another website, topcoder. You also didn't provide any reasons for this change.
No. I believe everyone who down voted him had thaught like you.
Read the blog once more... and you will find out this :
As at TopCoder all users are divided into two divisions: the first (rating over 1500 1650) and the second (rating not more than 1500 1650)._
I don't understand. The expected rank is calculated with 2 people ' rating? For example, if I'm person A with rating 1371. And my actual place is 300. Then who will be person B?
As I've understood, by this formula server counts probability that you'll be better than other participant for each one. By this probabilities we can count your approximate place(seed), then get your real place(rank) and find change of rate, based on them.
New account have participate in Codeforces round — http://codeforces.com/contests/with/hujub , and gain 1494 (-6) rating and became green. But in results table he/she lost only to 4 greens, and win against hundreds of blues+purples. It is mystical for me, why he become green, not blue or purple? For example next (432nd) place (purple participant) increased his rating 1714 -> 1727. Is it fair?
When you are participating first time, your expected position (seed in terms of this post) is n/2+1
How is every users's seed (expected rank) calculated? Can you add an option to Codeforces that will tell the contestant what rank is he/she expected to take?
Is this seed calculated according to the last match?
if this feature is implemented, i suggest that this is only available after the contest.
if available before contest, this knowledge can play with our emotions and possibly make us a bit slower for rest of the contest.
You don't get main idea of Elo-based ratings. Elo ratings of players have following property: if some set of players will now participate in the contest then expected order of final standings (more formally, most probable permutaiton in some sense) is exactly the order of decreasing of their ratings.
So, this feature is already implemented. Just look on the list of registered users before the contest and sort them by rating in descending order. Your position in this list shows your expected position in the contest.
UPD: Nevermind, I suck at Elo-based ratings =(
This is not correct:) Your expected position depends not only on your position in list, sorted by rating, but also on all other ratings.
If top1 has rating 3000, and all other contestants have rating 1000, then his (top1) expected place is very close to 1.0. But if top1 has rating 3000, and all other have rating 2999, then I am not so sure that top1 will win this contest:) And his expected place is actually close to n/2:)
You proposed easy approach to calculate expected position in standings, but it is not right Elo-based way. BTW, tourist can never get + rating for 2nd place with this approach, because his expected place will be 1st:)
To get correct expected place one should calculate Elo-based probabilities of losing versus every other contestant and add these values (and also add 1 to result, because standings are 1-based).
=( Yes, second example shows that I'm completely wrong about expected place, sorry.
As at TopCoder all users are divided into two divisions: the first (rating over 1650) and the second (rating_ not more than 1650). Not rated users fall into the second division automatically.
MikeMirzayanov , it should be 1700.
exactly what i meant in my comment.
I don't know why you got so much downvote in that comment . it makes no sense . i didn't see your comment before . i just gave a upvote . but what can just a little upvote do against 61 downvotes ? :(
umm.. can you please tell me how you calculate change in rating after a contest on the basis of his standing?
Rating formulas aren't public in CF. And even if you would have them, I doubt you could calculate rating change faster than CF servers would do. It's a quite heavy operation, I think.
What is a reason for leaving rating unchanged of guys who have registered for a contest but do not make any submissions? Is that because people may not handle with time and just late for the contest? Come on, really? I suppose majority of people are not so silly. Also, they can register right before the contest if they decide to participate. In addition, it's normal in sports people get the worst results if they ignore the contest they are registered for.
However, it provides ways for cheating. For example:
Results: lots of rating in best cases and nothing in worst ones => expected value of rating is more than actual level.
Proof: in Codeforces Round 286 (Div. 1) problem A was relatively complicated. As a result, more than usual number of out-of-participation guys was even mentioned in editorial.
Guys, you all believe that one half of people registered for all div 2 contests do not participate because they are late for them? It's ridiculous. I suppose, most of them do not have an evil plan like described above but they just find problems complicated and decide do not risk that is unfair too.
Strongly agree with you: "take a look at the problems => welcome to the standings"
It's the ancient problem.
Several month ago, it was interesting for me to analyze registered vs participated vs notParticipated vs isOnline lists in Div1. As a result, there were many participants, who registered, was online during at least half of the contest, but not participated.
agree , i think a good alternative is TC system , the timer start counting when you open the problem and if you opened any problem your rating will be changed .
Yes , but this might encourage cheating . 1) Register another account 2) Login & enter DIV.2 contest 3) Read DIV2-C .. DIV2-E problems 4) Decide, login main account or not
One of best ways to prevent cheating is rating penalties for registered coders if they do not submitting anything. Not cruel, approx. -10 pts. If there is coder that cannot take part and unable to unregister because of force majeure, this one-time penalty will not affect seriously, but if coder try to cheat, he will receive this penalty regularly, time after time, losing rating points. Also, more cheaters -> more penalties -> more rating boost for non-cheating coders, because sum of ratings before and after contest is constant.
In my opinion, it's an extremely unefficient solution because benefit of cheating in average is much greater than 10 pts. I suppose the best way is consider all the registered coders participating. Why? TC system may not work here because problems are shared for both divs. I think people who feel force majeure may happen should register right before the contest. In fact, they even can do it all the time :) Also, one failed contest due to time management issues per long peroid(in fact, in contest a lot of other bad luck cases may happen) will not ruin your rating completely because Elo-based system "helps" you to grow if your rating is less than actual level.
I solved a problem in "Codeforces Round #332 (Div. 2)", but my rating is not changed.... Would you please let me know why it happens?
it takes about two hours after the contest to get the rating change
I'm new in codeforces. today i solved one problem . after the round i checked my profile and saw "Unrated" why ?
Hi. Rating hasn't been updated, so wait a little.
Hi. Today i solved one problem in a contest. But my rating still shows Unrated. Why?
Ratings usually take a few hours to be updated. Please be a little patient :)
I recently appeared a contest and solved one problem but my profile isn't reflecting the contest details I. e., my profile is showing that I haven't yet appeared for any contest
That contest that you took part in was made unrated, check the round announcement.
Ohh.... I missed it.... Thank you........
What if you take a virtual contests? do you get any rating?
I was one of the last ones in https://codeforces.com/contest/1144
I participated in the Codeforces Round #586. I solved one problem A and all the pretests were accepted. Then I tried to solve Problem-B,But failed in one of the test-cases. After evaluation was done, I got to know that my code was accepted and I got 366 as my score for the problem. Though, there was a '-1' for Problem-B. I thought my rating would have got increased a little, atleast. But instead, it got decreased. A '-74' in my rating. Can you tell me why this happened? And Where did the 366 I scored go?
The sum of points in all the problems is used to sort the participants and form the ranking. Your rating change is calculated based solely in your position in the ranking and the expected position according to the rating you had before the contest.
I.e. the points you get per problem are discarded after the ranking is formed.
It seems that the system has been updated, and now the sum of ratings decreases after contests. For example, in Codeforces Round 564 (Div. 1), the total rating delta is -969.
my rating is 423 after giving 1 contest . Is that fine ?
Does the average rating stays around a exact number?
Or in other words, is $$$\Sigma\Delta$$$ in each round around 0?
I'm new in codeforces :)
Jesus fucking christ don’t fucking necropost a 10 year old blog if there’s a much more recent one discussing ratings.
New to codeforces isn’t a fucking excuse because every single fucking forum discourages necroposting.
But does Codeforces discourage it? I don't think so.
Also, when you are new to a site like this, how does he even find the newer blog.
He probably just googled some keywords, stumbled on this blog, and commented. You are discouraging a newcomer to the site, just because he commented on a blog you didn't even own, you are too lazy to answer him but too eager to trash talk.
I achieved rating 443 after my first contest global round 8 in with held yesterday but my friends started with initial rating of about 1500 but for me it was 0. Why?
Because you are reading a ten year old blog, and there's a more recent addition to rating calculation — Link
"if the participant A had worse rating than the participant B before the contest and finished the contest on the worse place then after recalculations the the rating of A can’t be greater than the rating of B". Then can someone please explain to me how Honey_Cheerios got a higher rating than Ravsteel even though the former had a lower rating than the latter and both finished with the same rank in Codeforces Round 781?
this blog is 12 years old.....
Also, you get a bonus rating just for participating in your first 6 contests. Which sums up to 1400 or 1500.
Good Luck Guys<3
Why downvote me guys?
How is the correction factor found?